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[Horry]

mobricki, on 12 June 2011 - 11:43 PM, said:

NAVY OFFICERS
1 Captain
3 Lieutenants
6 Midshipmen

MARINES
1 Marine Commander
4 Marine Officers
80 Marines
1 Marine Drummer
1 Marine Color Guard

SAILORS
300 Sailors
1 Cook
1 Carpenter
1 Sailmaker
1 Livestock Tender
1 Surgeon
1 Quartermaster

Crew TOTAL
403

Okay, the ratio does not look bad at all. If you wanted to fully man your ship, then you would have to have between 800 and 900 people on board - that would be quite a mess  

I'd say you stick to the 300 sailors and update a bit on the higher ranks:

Typically, a 1st rate would have

Officers:
1 captain
4 lieutenants
5 passed midshipmen (acting lieutenant)
at least 21 midshipmen - one for every gun-deck section

Marines:

There would be a company of royal marines on a 1st rate

1 royal marines major
1 royal marines captain (not to be confused with a Royal Navy captain)
1-2 warrant officer(s)
2 colour sergeants
100 marines
1-2 marine drummer(s)
2 marine colour guards (one for every platoon)

non-coms:
around 60 to 80 non-coms (petty officers and warrant officers), including:

1 purser
1 carpenter
1 surgeon

600 Sailors, including:
1 cook
4 mess cooks
4 journeyman carpenters
1 sailmaker
1 livestock tender
2 surgeon's assistants
1 quartermaster

[mobricki]

Horry, on 13 June 2011 - 01:22 PM, said:

Okay, the ratio does not look bad at all. If you wanted to fully man your ship, then you would have to have between 800 and 900 people on board - that would be quite a mess  

I'd say you stick to the 300 sailors and update a bit on the higher ranks:

Typically, a 1st rate would have

Officers:
1 captain
4 lieutenants
5 passed midshipmen (acting lieutenant)
at least 21 midshipmen - one for every gun-deck section

Marines:

There would be a company of royal marines on a 1st rate

1 royal marines major
1 royal marines captain (not to be confused with a Royal Navy captain)
1-2 warrant officer(s)
2 colour sergeants
100 marines
1-2 marine drummer(s)
2 marine colour guards (one for every platoon)

non-coms:
around 60 to 80 non-coms (petty officers and warrant officers), including:

1 purser
1 carpenter
1 surgeon

600 Sailors, including:
1 cook
4 mess cooks
4 journeyman carpenters
1 sailmaker
1 livestock tender
2 surgeon's assistants
1 quartermaster

Horry thanks for the advice I will try to add some more of the crew that you mentioned sadly I don't have the funds to ever fully crew the ship. Update Info: I started working on the stern. The first deck is done and soon I will start building the second deck. More pics to come soon. I also have some other small updates coming soon.

[mobricki]

Here is my July update. I'm still waiting on about 5 bricklink orders. just got my order in from TLC with a couple POTC sets. I started working on the stern and the bow but there is still plenty of work to be done. Feel free to critique my work on the bow and stern. I also did some work on the ships officers.

Edited by mobricki, 03 July 2011 - 05:09 PM.

[Churchill]

Mobricki, I think you're doing a great job, and I can't wait to see the final version.  
All it really needs now is to fly that Pittsburgh Steelers flag you have in the background, and it will be invincible!  

Edited by Churchill, 03 July 2011 - 05:13 PM.

[mobricki]

Churchill, on 03 July 2011 - 05:13 PM, said:

Mobricki, I think you're doing a great job, and I can't wait to see the final version.  
All it really needs now is to fly that Pittsburgh Steelers flag you have in the background, and it will be invincible!  

Thanks Churchill but this ship will be flying the flag of the Royal Navy. Oh by the way I just added the two capstans to the first section of the ship. I will post pics in a couple days.

[mobricki]

Here is the latest update.

Here are some pics of the crew as well. I haven't finished putting together the crew yet.

Edited by mobricki, 19 September 2011 - 04:13 PM.

[minifig13]

Are you aware of how huge this thing is?

Wow, this is an astonishing ship. It's one of the biggest ones that i've seen, it maybe even is the biggest i've seen. And the crew and men you are adding too just blows my mind.

*Tips Hat*

Keep it up! Can't wait for the finished product! I think it might be blogged!

[Frank Brick Wright]

How many imperial flagships did you bought?  

It's huge and a remarkable work, but I still find the shape somewhat blocky

By the way, it happens that I have a ship with the exact same name on MocPages (a brig), but nothing so huge  
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/279813

[Sebeus I]

mobricki, on 20 April 2011 - 11:19 AM, said:

hmmm, I'm sorry to say but I think this crossection shows a very unlikely shape of a warship.
Normally the lowest gun deck should also be the widest.
The reason for that was to prevent the ship from capsizing.
this is nice sketch of a realistic crossection:




I do think this ship would make a very nice model for displaying and I'm looking forward to the end result and I'd love to see a detailed interior, full of occupied minifigures preparing for battle  

[mobricki]

Frank Brick Wright, on 20 September 2011 - 01:43 PM, said:

How many imperial flagships did you bought?  

I bought 2 Imperial Flagships and the rest are pieces from my collection.  I will be making a more realistic version later after I get some more practice building large sailing ships.  This is my first large model after coming out of my dark ages. This is actually the third version of this ship the first version is the one on the first page of this post and the second one never made it past the first deck. The fourth version coming later will have all the proper deck plus the guns will be spaced out right and not directly above each other. Also in the fourth version I will switch the entire crew(about 500 minifigs) over to fleshies.

Edited by mobricki, 20 September 2011 - 03:03 PM.

[Captain Becker]

I agree whit Sebeus from the shape, also i think you should rally overlap the cannon ports. And thirdly, i am not sure about the ships stern. At the back its just fine, but from the side.... Im not sure about that, i think you should make the stern much more shorter than it is now. I think that would look a bit better. But i think its going to be a fine vessel after its finished, keep it up.

Captain Becker

[Horry]

Horry, on 12 June 2011 - 10:45 PM, said:

You see, it would not be possible for a ship-of-the-line, especially not with three decks and 50 shots per broadside to have a parallel gunport-setting like your Britannia has. The kinetic energy of the recoil would be absorbed by the vessel's frame. If built in a good way, the ship might withstand the actual broadside. But in any case, the caulking would rupture and the ship would become seaunworthy due to all the incoming water. But it would be even more propable that the frame would simply break.

mobricki, on 12 June 2011 - 11:43 PM, said:

Thanks for mentioning this detail. I am aware of this fact but because of how the ship is designed it wouldn't be feasible to build it that way.

I think that this is a problem of practicability. I think we all can see that this project lacks some technical and historical accuracy but what can one do when doing a MOC of that sheer size?  

He's well aware of the "problems" of his ship  

[Captain Blackmoor]

A fantastic build! The size is amazing!
I like the stern a lot, the lanterns are very nicely done as well.
Overall the whole ship has a nice coloursheme.

But I would certainly use Sebeus' suggestion as it makes your ship far more realistic.
My suggestion is to make the gunports offset, now they are straight on top of eachother. I would also create a gap in the main deck for ventilation and light.

I'd suggest to take a close look on ship models and/or other reference sources, depending ofcourse on how realistic you want your end product to be.

Keep it up, it will be a beauty!

[minifig13]

Waiting on New Photos... I'm so pumped about this ship! I can't wait to see it done, heck, i cant wait to see the next image, complete or not!

[Captain Blackmoor]

I notice you are really pumped indeed, perhaps a bit too pumped even.
Builders will post an update immediately whenever they have made progress.

Patience is a great tool.

[mobricki]

I had to move from Germany to Pennsylvania since I was in the US Air Force and I thought I had the ship pretty well protected along with my collection of modular buildings but they received pretty heavy damage over the move. I had also run out of brown plates at about the same time. Unfortunately due to all the damage and me not being willing to spend any more money on this project. I will rebuild it slightly smaller but still pretty grand by LEGO standards. I had also said I would try to move all the minifigs over to fleshies but that will never happen unless the prices go down on fleshies. I did double the amount of marines that I had for the ship. Due to the fact that I am currently obsessed with trains and the modulars I probably won't be working on this project again for awhile.

Edited by mobricki, 30 September 2012 - 02:53 PM.

[Matteo1130]

mobricki, on 30 September 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

I had to move from Germany to Pennsylvania since I was in the US Air Force and I thought I had the ship pretty well protected along with my collection of modular buildings but they received pretty heavy damage over the move. I had also run out of brown plates at about the same time. Unfortunately due to all the damage and me not being willing to spend any more money on this project. I will rebuild it slightly smaller but still pretty grand by LEGO standards. I had also said I would try to move all the minifigs over to fleshies but that will never happen unless the prices go down on fleshies. I did double the amount of marines that I had for the ship. Due to the fact that I am currently obsessed with trains and the modulars I probably won't be working on this project again for awhile.

I think I can understand, I have a slow project too, wich  has not been touched for many months, because of the huge work needed. By the way, yourr widest part is nearly 36 studs, wich means approx 12 meters, and it t would be very accurate on a heavy frigate (maybe a  2 decker instead of 3), the problem on those dimensions is also with the bird's view, wich make your ship mostly straight.. Don't give up this project, you may find lots of accurate infos on this portal.

[Morthen]

Yea sure its big, and yes it can have a single broadside at 67 cannons, but where is the details???? thats the tricky part about theese giant builds, i myself made a ship, that contains a single broad side of 30 cannons (its one meter long) custom hull, and it contains alot of details.
Dont take this to personly, but i find your stern/cabin, really borring to look at, yes it has four decks, but where is the soul?

Eventhough it need details, soul, ETC, its pretty nice that you made such a big ship, keep it up,
And follow LEGO's slogan: Only THE BEST! is good enough