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17 replies to this topic  – Started by Boomchil , Oct 05 2010 04:34 AM

#1 Boomchil

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 04:34 AM

Hi everyone!

Last sunday I've been able to get a MIB 6285 Black Sea's Barracuda, and I noticed two stranges facts that I've never heard of before.

First, instructions came with a lose page (step 6). At first I thought my instructions were damaged, but looking closer it appears that original instructions have an error. Look for yourself (the original instructions are on top) :

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But there is another strange fact : when I had to put on the rigging, I saw there were really bent, it looked weird. I've checked masts to see if they were put correctly, and instructions to see if I didn't forget something : nothing wrong.

I then took one of my second BSB's rigging : it fit perfectly. Odd. It finally appears that my 4 rigging are about 1 stud longer than "normal" ones.

Here are the rigging (the 2 on the bottom are from my previous BSB, the 2 on the top come from my "new" one)

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Strange, isn't it?


Looking closer, I've seen another detail :

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Can you see it? The left one (ie the smaller one) is marked with a "02", where the right one (the one that comes from my "new" BSB) is marked "01".

I've checked all of my other sets (Forbidden Island, Rock Island Refugee, Caribbean Clipper...), they all have the normal "02" one.

Even on Bricklink, there is only one model referenced (Brown Boat Mast Rigging Long 27 x 5).



Now, what can we think about that?


Maybe my "new" BSB is one of the very first batch (it's a french model) that appeared on the market. In fact, all of the other BSB I've seen do not have these errors, instructions are corrected and the rigging doesn't look strange (it's just one stud longer, but that make them *really* bent).


Maybe I've gotten a rare treasure  :pir-grin:


Have you seen these errors before? What number of rigging do you have? The normal 02 ones, or the rare 01 ones :pir-wub:?



PS : Sorry if my english hurts you ;)

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 06:53 AM

View PostBoomchil, on 05 October 2010 - 04:34 AM, said:

Now, what can we think about that?
We can think you've uncovered a conspiracy the LEGO Group tried very hard to bury in the hopes that nobody would ever uncover it! :pir-grin:

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 04:27 PM

View PostMister Phes, on 05 October 2010 - 06:53 AM, said:

We can think you've uncovered a conspiracy the LEGO Group tried very hard to bury in the hopes that nobody would ever uncover it! :pir-grin:

:pir_laugh2: maybe it's true.

Do you think I Should contact Bricklink to tell them that there are two kind of rigging?

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 05:42 PM

If you think it would make the world a better place.  For years people have been assuming all the rigging is the same - this could change the way MOCers think about rigging!

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 08:16 PM

Thanks for sharing this info and pics with us, Boomchill, I wish I were into your place opening a MISB BSB.

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 08:21 PM

I've never been aware of the rigging! Although it's just a small thing, so it shouldn't be a big problem for MOCing.
You certainly have an eye for detail!
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Posted 07 October 2010 - 06:13 AM

I'll check my BSB soon, it's old enough that it has working cannons, and I'm the original owner so I know it has 100% original rigging pieces as it came out of the box.  :)

I do know however, that my BSB rigging has always seemed "a bit too long"--they will often pull the 1x1 clips up off their base as there's so much tension in them.

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 06:35 AM

Now you've made me curious. I don't have the original one, I have the Legend re-release issue of the BSB. Now I'm going to have to check mine to see if I've got the same issue. Probably not, as mine is a re-release, but I'm still curious.

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 07:44 AM

Now that you've mentioned it...

I've had a total of 3 BSBs in my life (no Legends, just the original sets) and I've noticed some differences. I don't know if this has anything to do with the release date, but still...

For one, the "red flags" which cover the gunports, were standard red in one of the ships, but in two other sets they were significaltly darker, with a rougher surface. Something between normal red and today's dark red, the colour which AFAIK wasn't officially introduced back then. I'm not sure but I think earlier sets had dark red flags which were replaced with standard red in later models. I can easily take pictures of those if you wish.

Also, one of the sets had a most unusual feature. This time I'm sure it was just bad molding of the mast pieces:

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When I connected the upper part (seen on the right) with the lower part (seen on the left), the 'arms' that the sails are later attached to (the ones on the upper part) were not facing straight forward, but they were at a certain angle. It's because the grooves at the top of the lower part were not in the right places (like, say 12, 3, 6 and 9 on the clock):
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Instead, they were slightly off, still at the correct distance from each other, but not at the right angle with the rest of the mast. The only thing I could do not to make it look silly was not to insert the upper part into the lower part completely, leaving some space so that the upper part does not sit in the grooves.

That molding mistake was repeated in both masts in one of my BSBs, and I still have those masts used in one of my MOCs. I can also take pictures of those, but that would require partially disassembling my ship.

Anyone noticed those things too?

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 03:56 PM

View PostDreamweb, on 12 October 2010 - 07:44 AM, said:

Anyone noticed those things too?
No, but I find it interesting that your middle mast section has a different bottom from all of mine; mine only have recessed bottoms, without that protruding hollow lump in the middle (which presumably makes it a better fit). Mine are from the original BSB and SES.

Also, I have two types of the top mast piece. On the very top arm (for attaching the sails), on the back, one has molded triangulation - just a small triangle of plastic. All my others don't have this.

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 10:04 PM

Maybe it is the 2002 version?
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Posted 17 October 2010 - 10:01 AM

That would be a legends set. Dreamweb has 3 original BSB's as he said. :pir-classic:
Unfortunately I don't have a BSB set, but I'll start to check out my Redbeard Runner and Armada Flagship. I have two Armada flagships so let's see. :pir-blush:

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Posted 17 October 2010 - 10:04 PM

My BSB has a similar issue with the mast base. Figured it was just a one off, but maybe not. Bought it secoond hand, so no idea how original the pieces were, though the set was in an original box.
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Posted 05 December 2010 - 09:34 PM

View PostBoomchil, on 05 October 2010 - 04:27 PM, said:

Do you think I Should contact Bricklink to tell them that there are two kind of rigging?
Yes, I do.  Unlike other parts with different versions (like minifig heads with solid or hollow studs), this has an effect on construction.  I have a BSB that I received in 1990 and it has the shorter rigging which seems to fit well.  However, I just bought a Caribbean Clipper which appears to have all original parts and it has the slightly longer rigging.  Due to the use of just one rigging piece, it causes the mast to be pushed forward an appreciable amount.  I would like to purchase a shorter replacement so that this does not occur, and if BrickLink distinguished the two rigging sizes, I could be sure of what I am getting.  I'm sure others feel the same way.

P.S. My BSB did not come with a correction page in the instructions.  Clearly I received the 'revised' version of the set.

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 10:10 PM

both my BSB and CC (both original release with firing cannons) have the 02 type rigging but my forbidden Island has the 01 type short ones..... I'd never noticed before, that's why they bow so much ....... my rigging's all custom now anyway.
My instructions were normal (bought in Australia Xmas in 1989, go mum and dad!) :pir-cry_happy:

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 04:15 AM

I have an original bsb,  I'll have to check and see what pieces mine has.  This is interesting, especially the instruction misprint.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 12:37 AM

Hmm I definately wouldn't have noticed that it was different. (even though I check each step about 3 times :pir-grin:.)
Molds are made of metal so I didn't think that this was possible. :pir-sceptic:
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Posted 08 December 2010 - 12:48 AM

View Postlt.Gonville brickhead, on 08 December 2010 - 12:37 AM, said:

Hmm I definately wouldn't have noticed that it was different. (even though I check each step about 3 times :pir-grin:.)
Molds are made of metal so I didn't think that this was possible. :pir-sceptic:
They are from different moulds hence the different numbers on the elements.

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