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#1 Mister Phes

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 03:33 AM

Here's the evidence I've accumulated to support this Imperial Armada speculation:

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The film opens at night. Spanish fisherman spots something in the water. A Shape. He fishes out what he soon discovers is the body of an ancient sailor. The boat’s captain rushes over for a look – - before he can make his assessment, the thought-dead sailor’s eyes open. Sailor grabs Captain’s arm… fade out. The Captain and his aide then arrive at the regal residents of King Ferdinand, with said body, who inform the royal that the not-so-dead sailor claims to have sailed on a vessel belonging to the ship of Ponce de Leon, who died 200 years ago. Ferdinand’s first thought is that the sailor has found the legendary Fountain of Youth. He orders ‘The Spaniard’ to hit the seas in search of it.
  • There were two King Ferdinands of Spain, Ferdinan IV seems most appropriate for the period in which the film will be set (although this probably won't be implicity stated)
  • Ponce de León was a Spanish explorer associated with the Fountain of Youth

Some of the filming is to take San Cristobal Castle at Old San Juan. It was built in 1783 and is the largest  fortification built by the Spanish in the new World.

There are also these set pictures:

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There is also another set picture of Jack Sparrow running around the ramparts of a Spanish Fort but I'll be damned if I can find it again.


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Posted 22 September 2010 - 03:45 AM

It would be nice to see the return of some Armada faction, but it will also depend on how they will produce these 'Armadians' into the movie, (mostly) historically correct or not.
The original LEGO Armada line wasn't very historically correct, not for that age at least.
Still, I have no problem at all with Armada returning! Many parts like the helmet are still in production anyway.

PS: we also have a confirmed Black Pearl ship :pir-devil: .

EDIT: this is a picture of one of the games, so that looks good!
And since these are supposed to be damned, that overcomes the historical time issue too.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 08:51 PM

What an excellent topic idea. :thumbup:
Although I think a trilogy of the POTC is enough, this movie is something to look forward to.
It would be awesome to see a reintroduction of the Armada!

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 07:09 PM

Hey I would love to see the Armadas return... Although the armada its self wasnt accurate in the classic line, it is still the most accurate soilders for the pirates to battle.

I hope they come back, after all I am NOT looking forward to the POTC line. (as I have said before, I like LEGO, I love POTC, but I am not crazy about the two being combined)

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 08:04 PM

I think it is because in the book "On Stranger Tides" they encounted they encounter the ghost ship "Nuestra Senora de Lagrimas" as I can see in this book, And he says:

"You may not have heard of her, but probably half these men know her story. She was carrying gold from Veracruz and had the misfortune to meet an English Privateer, the Charlotte Bailey. A couple of Englishmen survived to tell about it. Terrible sea battle - lasted four hours - and both ships went to the bottom" He looked over at Shandy and grinned. "This was in 1630." Shandy blinked "Nearly a century ago".

So yes the Spanish in this movie may be the new fantasy ghost pirates.  :pir_laugh2:

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 08:09 PM

This just makes me look forward to the new POTC line even more!
Thanks for sharing Phes!  :thumbup:
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Posted 23 September 2010 - 11:17 PM

I'm really hoping for new Armada, but also for Whietcoats or Yellowcoats.

My deduction:

Whitecoats: I heard the movie begins with Jack in Louisiana, which at the time of POTC was French ruled, and since France wore white pre-Revolution, they might make an appearance in the movie, and maybe Lego will put them in a set.

Yellowcoats: The fountain of youth is in Florida, right? Florida is Spanish. early 17th century Spain wore Yellowcoats.
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Posted 24 September 2010 - 06:46 AM

If they did make new Armada figs, I'm hoping they would come with silver helmets instead of black.

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 09:14 AM

View PostApache, on 24 September 2010 - 06:46 AM, said:

If they did make new Armada figs, I'm hoping they would come with silver helmets instead of black.
That would be amazing indeed. True Conquestadores!
BUT, the whole POTC story is plays between 1750-1800, The Conquestadores along with the Aztecs are long gone by then. :pirate_sad2:
So perhaps it might be possible to see for example new Bluecoats, yellowcoats or which colour they desire, with Spanish looking faces.

These thoughts, I love speculation! :pir-tongue:

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 09:48 AM

View PostCaptain Blackmoor, on 24 September 2010 - 09:14 AM, said:

BUT, the whole POTC story is plays between 1750-1800
Exactly where/when has the time period for the Pirates of the Caribbean universe been confirmed?

And even if it has been confirmed, is that really going to stop the filmmakers from taking creative liberities?

But lets look into this by examining the rumour material:

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the not-so-dead sailor claims to have sailed on a vessel belonging to the ship of Ponce de Leon, who died 200 years ago
The real Ponce de León lived between 1474 to 1521, so that means Strangers Tides would be set around 1721.

However, there are numerous Ponce de Leóns throughout history, so I've just assumed it's the Spanish Conquistador because he's the most likely fit for the story.


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Posted 24 September 2010 - 10:34 PM

View PostZorro, on 22 September 2010 - 03:45 AM, said:

It would be nice to see the return of some Armada faction, but it will also depend on how they will produce these 'Armadians' into the movie, (mostly) historically correct or not.
The original LEGO Armada line wasn't very historically correct, not for that age at least.
Still, I have no problem at all with Armada returning! Many parts like the helmet are still in production anyway.

PS: we also have a confirmed Black Pearl ship :pir-devil: .

EDIT: this is a picture of one of the games, so that looks good!
And since these are supposed to be damned, that overcomes the historical time issue too.
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Wow, nice pic, I didn't know they made a game. Are they coming out with a new one or some other game? Back to the topic, hopefully we get a new armada thing. Together, my brother (kingofthezempk) and I only have 1 Armada ship, and it's really just a caravel thing with a tiny cannon. So I hope this is the Return....!  :pir-sweet:

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 03:14 AM

View PostZorro, on 22 September 2010 - 03:45 AM, said:

And since these are supposed to be damned, that overcomes the historical time issue too.
Damned you say?

Jack Sparrow mentions there will be zombies in the On Stranger Tides teaser trailer previewed at Comic Con a few weeks back.  

Combine this with the rumour synopsis of the intro:

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the not-so-dead sailor claims to have sailed on a vessel belonging to the ship of Ponce de Leon

So therefore, the possibility exists there could be other not-so-dead personnel from this ship, including conquistadors.



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Posted 25 September 2010 - 06:33 PM

Ah, i would be very glad if the mighty armada would return.. But infact i am not so sure if this might be true... Damn it is so difficult to live in the dark, especially when we do not have any decent evidence, just vague stories and pictures where we can think anything. But yes, i would love if they would return even at its a bit unsure at me. We live in times of doubt aye maties? (Yes, I am skeptical of everything in modern times)

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 06:49 PM

That in game picture is so good looking.  I can't wait to see the POTC line.  It will add so much to the MOC 'ing ability of the great group we have in the pirates forum.

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 06:31 AM

View PostCaptain Becker, on 25 September 2010 - 06:33 PM, said:

But infact i am not so sure if this might be true... Damn it is so difficult to live in the dark, especially when we do not have any decent evidence, just vague stories and pictures where we can think anything. We live in times of doubt aye maties? (Yes, I am skeptical of everything in modern times)
No need to be negative matey, this thread is supposed to be a bit of fun speculation  :pir-classic:


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Posted 26 September 2010 - 05:56 PM

How happy I would be for POTC to have the return of Imperial Armada sets- but then again, wouldn't we rather have a new pirates series rather than LEGO Pirates happening in 2009 and Imperial Armada sets happening potentially in 2012? Maybe I'm missing the point.
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Posted 27 September 2010 - 12:14 PM

This is obviously pure speculation, but let us blog this so that more people can be made aware of it!

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 03:14 AM

but who will make the redcoats? :pir_bawling: :pir-cry_sad:   :pir_bawling:

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 10:06 AM

You can always make one of your self in custom. But im sure at they will relase more Redcoats in POTC line, dont worry mate.

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 03:50 PM

They'll make Bluecoats too, hopefully. (EIC men)
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Posted 28 September 2010 - 05:08 PM

View PostThe Eye, on 26 September 2010 - 05:56 PM, said:

How happy I would be for POTC to have the return of Imperial Armada sets- but then again, wouldn't we rather have a new pirates series rather than LEGO Pirates happening in 2009 and Imperial Armada sets happening potentially in 2012? Maybe I'm missing the point.
Yes, you are.  Confused it completely you did.  :pir-classic:

View PostEmperor Claudius Rome, on 28 September 2010 - 03:50 PM, said:

They'll make Bluecoats too, hopefully. (EIC men)
There were also non (EIC) blue coats in the movies so there is potential for both.


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Posted 28 September 2010 - 11:48 PM

View PostMister Phes, on 28 September 2010 - 05:08 PM, said:

Yes, you are.  Confused it completely you did.  :pir-classic:

Hmm. I can tell by yer avatar, matey, that ye've been waiting for the Armada to return for some time! I remember the speculation about Indiana Jones' conquistador helmet, so I wish you and all other Armada fans the best.

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Posted 29 September 2010 - 12:16 AM

Why doesn't anybody support my Whitecoats theory?
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Posted 29 September 2010 - 03:46 AM

View PostThe Eye, on 28 September 2010 - 11:48 PM, said:

Hmm. I can tell by yer avatar, matey, that ye've been waiting for the Armada to return for some time! I remember the speculation about Indiana Jones' conquistador helmet, so I wish you and all other Armada fans the best.
Why thank you!  

As for your question: "wouldn't we rather have a new pirates series rather than LEGO Pirates happening in 2009 and Imperial Armada sets happening potentially in 2012? Maybe I'm missing the point."

I think we'd prefer to see Imperial Armada sets happening right now while we wait for the Pirates of the Caribbean sets.

View PostEmperor Claudius Rome, on 29 September 2010 - 12:16 AM, said:

Why doesn't anybody support my Whitecoats theory?
Whitecoats are horrible - their uniforms require constant trips to the drycleaners to keep them white! :pir-grin:


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Posted 29 September 2010 - 06:49 AM

View PostMister Phes, on 29 September 2010 - 03:46 AM, said:

Whitecoats are horrible - their uniforms require constant trips to the drycleaners to keep them white! :pir-grin:
Agree :pir-tongue:  The white is a beatiful color, but in unifroms? No thanks. And if you would want to make whitecoats, you can make your own custom ones :pir-classic:

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