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#1 DoubleT

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 12:46 AM

A message from Jake McKee (DoubleT)

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I always hate starting off a conversation with an apology, but I fear I must today.

For a number of months, I’ve been working with colleagues to get a final word on our “locked” or “universal” color list. I hate wading back into the color change waters, but I promised you a while back that I would deliver a list of which colors were locked/universal.

My deepest apologies for the length of time it took us to finalize this list. When you’re trying to decide things this far-reaching, it’s surprising how much discussion ends up happening.

First off, let’s define “universal color”.

Universal Color (aka Locked Color): An evergreen color that would not be changed, dropped, or modified without serious discussion that includes all stakeholders, including adult hobbyists and LEGO Company executive management.

Without further ado, the universal color list:

• Yellow
• Orange
• Red
• Blue
• Medium Blue
• Medium Green
• Green
• Reddish Brown
• Beige
• Nougat
• Light Nougat
• White
• Light Stone Grey
• Stone Grey
• Dark Stone Gray
• Black

• Transparent Yellow
• Transparent Red
• Transparent Blue
• Transparent Dove Blue
• Transparent Green
• Transparent Clear

To match these up with names you know, head over to Peeron)

Again, huge apologies for the delays.

Jake

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#2 David85

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 01:00 AM

I was going to post this but then I thought it might turn into a rant of the fact that Lego lied to us numberous times and the color change was the bigest mistake ever.

Anyways..

What are these colors?

• Beige
• Nougat
• Light Nougat

#3 Jipay

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 01:05 AM

David85, on Nov 19 2004, 12:00 AM, said:

I was going to post this but then I thought it might turn into a rant of the fact that Lego lied to us numberous times and the color change was the bigest mistake ever.

Anyways..

What are these colors?

• Beige
• Nougat
• Light Nougat
those are french word to mean mean light brown (or a mix between brown and yellow). Sound slike tan to me
Beige is brown

#4 David85

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 01:08 AM

But they already have brown listed... "Reddish Brown".

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 01:09 AM

The German word for tan is "beige"... I think Nougat is the new brown, it always reminded me on the chocolat nougat...

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 01:11 AM

Or maybe its the earth orange tone?!? Damn, can anyone (DoubleT... :P) ask Jake for color examples?!?

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 02:37 PM

People on Lugnet are asking.  The other half are being megablocks...

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This list, however universal it is deemed now, still has some drawbacks.
The main problem I see is with these ugly new greys, which are on the
list, and which horribly clash[1] with classic colours like white, which
is also on the list. So they put an inconsistent list into granite.

So this leaves the following options:
- live on (play on) with an inconsistent palette (and hope that
   nobody notices it)
- scrap the universailty of the list and change white, and
   propably some other colours like yellow and blue, too (which
   would propably result in spontaneous visits of AFOLs in Billund,
   torches and pitchforks included :-)
- reintroduce and add the original grey to the list (something most
   of us could agree to)

I can understand that Jake really does not like to be caught in
presenting this whole mess to the very concerned and involved part of
the market. I think, nobody would. Accept my deep sympathy, Jake.

Yours, Christian

[1] give it a try: stack some new grey, new dark grey and some fresh
(not yellowed) white bricks, and check them side by side. Especially the
new dark grey makes even the freshest white blocks look stained like
they were ten years old.
Too damn early to get the megablock quote thing to work.  The old colors aren't coming back move on!!!  Plus people still don't understand why they changed the colors, this is because the Lego Company is a lieing sack of megablock.  No one wants to belive that through, and that lead to the first time I was banned on FBTB.

EDIT by ApophisV:  I hope this looks now right, if not, change it back... ;)

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 08:36 PM

Looks good to me, I couldn't get the quotes to work right, and I wasn't wearing my glasses, and was a little sick.

This I find interesting....

Universal Color (aka Locked Color): An evergreen color that would not be changed, dropped, or modified without serious discussion that includes all stakeholders, including adult hobbyists and LEGO Company executive management.

Does that mean that the "Lego Company executive management" didn't ok the color change?!

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 11:02 PM

DoubleT, on Nov 18 2004, 11:46 PM, said:

Universal Color (aka Locked Color): An evergreen color that would not be changed, dropped, or modified without serious discussion that includes all stakeholders, including adult hobbyists and LEGO Company executive management.

...

• Light Stone Grey
• Stone Grey
• Dark Stone Gray
Oh great, so they decide now that they have changed the greys, that they must agree on changing them if they do it again... why could they not have done this in the first place??

I don't want to start a debate here, just annoyed that they now decide they need to agree on things before change happens.

Jon.

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 11:13 PM

Thats the thing I don't get, I don't understand why they changed, so many different answers, but I really don't get the fact that some random person in the Lego comany desided to do this?  I mean they didn't talk to each other before this?  Even it they were going to change the color and not listen to us you think they would talk about it in the company first.

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Posted 20 November 2004 - 12:02 AM

I'm PRETTY sure this color change resulted from some money thing.... Maybe the granulate (no idea if this is the english word for it.... :$) for new greys is cheaper than the old grey plastic granulate was or whatever...

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Posted 20 November 2004 - 02:45 AM

ApophisV, on Nov 19 2004, 11:02 PM, said:

I'm PRETTY sure this color change resulted from some money thing.... Maybe the granulate (no idea if this is the english word for it.... :$) for new greys is cheaper than the old grey plastic granulate was or whatever...
That's the one I belive, they now use clear plastic because it's clear and they couldn't match the colors with the dies or something.

But the fact Lego came out and told us 10 different lies pisses me off more than the color change itself.

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 05:20 PM

I also agree that it had something to do with saving money. The company is well aware that changing the color of the classic blocks is a big and risky decision to make, and in my opinion, should be the very last thing you think about in the time of financial crisis. But for some reason the company changed the color, which I don't think was the last option they had. I think the "kids don't know the difference and even if they did they would not really care" idea came to mind. Lego forgot about the "Big Kids", all of us AFOL that spend thousands a year on Lego and help promote the Lego product by building displays to show kids what they can do with the brick.

Lego only acknowledged the AFOL after they made the color change, then lied to us over and over again about the reason for the change. And then here is this quote…

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Universal Color (aka Locked Color): An evergreen color that would not be changed, dropped, or modified without serious discussion that includes all stakeholders, including adult hobbyists and LEGO Company executive management.

The “without serious discussion” simply means that they can and will, for any reason they want, change colors again in the future. They lied to us before and will do so again in the future. Unfortunately that is the world of business, including Lego.

With all that said… complaining will not bring back the classic colors in sets. Lego has made this very clear. So we just have to move on.
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