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#1 RTN LNA

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 01:44 AM

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I am pleased to announce my newest MOC

The RTS Zavala Steamship-of-War

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This vessel is a side-paddle-wheel sailing steamship.
The model is almost 4 ½ feet long (1.36 meters) and it uses 13 hull center sections.


Although called a schooner, the Zavala is more properly "hermaphrodite brigantine". Some drawings of the Zavala show 3 masts, but the best research (the INA article), however, confirms that she had only two masts. My model of the Zavala has working Lego pneumatic side-paddle-wheel walking-beam steam engines; it also has a working ship's wheel with steering gear reduction to the rudder. Things I like about this model: the curved inverted sloped stern, the full length gun deck mounting 24 cannons, the ship's bell, the boats, the way the schooner's gaff sail booms attach to the masts, the steer down the length of the hull, the curve around the bow and along the sides, and the paddle wheel shells. As you can see, the RTS Zavala has her guns run out and is firing up her boilers (two pneumatic air-tanks) - no doubt she has spotted her prey.

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BE SURE TO -> checkout some of the posts below (esp. #16, #18, #21)
Parts list and construction details on the ship's bell here.
Parts list and construction drawing on how to attach your boom in the middle of the mast  here.

NEW! The links to the uploaded videos are here.

RTS Zavala was
Nominated for Best Sea Craft
at Brickworld 2009!

AND WON!!
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The TWO paged brickshelf gallery is here.

Some links about the real Texas Navys Zavala:
Wikipedia entry for the Texan Schooner Zavala
INA Article about the Zavala starts on page 10
Texas Navy ship list
NUMA article about the Zavala

enjoy

kurt

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 02:10 AM

Well that's just stunning.  :pir-wub: This could be the first Pirates-Technic crossover ever! Pneumatic Pirates!  :pir-tongue:

I'll try to find the time to look at the rest of your pics.  :pir-sweet:





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Posted 16 December 2008 - 04:51 AM

Man that is awesome, i don't think i have ever seen anything like it before. I like all the work you put ino it by reasearching ect. (im a history buff)

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 09:31 AM

huhu , amazing, the shape of it is really cool that's a really amazing ship, + you "motorized" it ! technic + steamboat = win ! great job ! 12/10 !
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Posted 16 December 2008 - 01:26 PM

HOLY CRAP!!!  Someone put this on the frontpage pronto! As soon as PTV is over, expect to see this on the frontpage asthis is AWESOME!!! The shape from bricks is brilliant as are the lines. Best ship I've seen!

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 01:49 PM

Amazing work, looks very accurate!
Might i ask why you haven't made a brick built hull?
Why do you need TLC to make sets for you, all you really need is parts...be creative!

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 03:22 PM

Dear Kurt (RTN LNA) ,

that's a beautyfull creation.  
Do you have a movie of the working paddle wheels?
I would like to see them in action. :pir-classic:
Although I'm not a fan of big hull pieces on such large vessals,
you did a real good job in using them. :thumbup:
Kind regards,

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 05:30 PM

 Sinner, on Dec 16 2008, 02:10 AM, said:

Well that's just stunning.  :pir-wub: This could be the first Pirates-Technic crossover ever! Pneumatic Pirates!  :pir-tongue:

I'll try to find the time to look at the rest of your pics.  :pir-sweet:

I hope you enjoyed being "stunned".

And now I have the appellation "Pneumatic Pirate"?
That sucks err.. blows...

  kurt

 CPT. Jr, on Dec 16 2008, 04:51 AM, said:

Man that is awesome, i don't think i have ever seen anything like it before. I like all the work you put ino it by reasearching ect. (im a history buff)

Awesome is good!

I like building MOCs where nothing like them has ever been seen before!

I put more research in to RTS Legitor. The books I have on the Texas Navy made me aware of the Zavala, I had been planning to model it for some time now. The design challenges are what made this MOC so interesting.

  kurt

 Guss, on Dec 16 2008, 09:31 AM, said:

huhu , amazing, the shape of it is really cool that's a really amazing ship, + you "motorized" it ! technic + steamboat = win ! great job ! 12/10 !

I am glad you enjoyed it, however it has no motors, just an incoming air hose (you can see it in a few photos)
it comes in through the hull on the side.




 Captain Zuloo, on Dec 16 2008, 01:26 PM, said:

HOLY CRAP!!!  Someone put this on the frontpage pronto! As soon as PTV is over, expect to see this on the frontpage asthis is AWESOME!!! The shape from bricks is brilliant as are the lines. Best ship I've seen!
High praise indeed!
Have you seen some of my other ships?
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Posted 16 December 2008 - 05:32 PM

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just an incoming air hose (you can see it in a few photos)
it comes in through the hull on the side.

yay I saw it after I posted , , did you try to fit a motor inside it and it didn't work ? not enough room ? or does a electric motor coupled to a airthing is just not enough to make the wheels move ?
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Posted 16 December 2008 - 05:44 PM

 Captain green hair, on Dec 16 2008, 01:49 PM, said:

Amazing work, looks very accurate!
Might i ask why you haven't made a brick built hull?
Thanks, I do try for accuracy.
Why haven't I tried to make a brick built hull? I have tried a number of times! Both with the CAD tools and with bricks in hand. I just have not been satisfied with the results, the fairness of the lines just wasn't there for me.




 Teddy, on Dec 16 2008, 03:22 PM, said:

Dear Kurt (RTN LNA) ,

that's a beautyfull creation.  
Do you have a movie of the working paddle wheels?
I would like to see them in action. :pir-classic:
Although I'm not a fan of big hull pieces on such large vessals,
you did a real good job in using them. :thumbup:
Kind regards,

Teddy

I am glad you think it's beautiful.
I will work on getting a movie made and uploaded somewhere.
I am using the standard 2557c01, N x 2560, 2559c01 hull parts, so I don't understand.
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Posted 16 December 2008 - 05:54 PM

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I am glad you think it's beautiful.
I will work on getting a movie made and uploaded somewhere.
I am using the standard 2557c01, N x 2560, 2559c01 hull parts, so I don't understand.

Well, it REALLY is beautifull :thumbup: ...
I am looking forward to that movie of the ship as well, its easier for us then BL.
Brick build hulls are usually used for such large ships, but don't worry too much, your ship turned out just fine!

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 06:06 PM

 Guss, on Dec 16 2008, 05:32 PM, said:

yay I saw it after I posted , , did you try to fit a motor inside it and it didn't work ? not enough room ?
or does a electric motor coupled to a airthing is just not enough to make the wheels move ?
No, I could have easily fitted a motor in there, but then how do I power it?
If I use a battery then it will always be dead, (I don't play with my models,
they just set there) so to avoid that I have to wire to the motor to power it.
What have I gained? The hose is just as easy. And then I have not trapped
a motor in this model (motors are not cheap!).

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 zorro3999, on Dec 16 2008, 05:54 PM, said:

Well, it REALLY is beautifull :thumbup: ...
I am looking forward to that movie of the ship as well, its easier for us then BL.
Brick build hulls are usually used for such large ships, but don't worry too much, your ship turned out just fine!
The RTS Zavala is approximately minifig scale, it’s 1.2 feet per stud.  
The scale was set by the width of the hull center pieces with two rows of inverted slopes on each side. That set the beam width width, and on the original Zavala that beam width was 24 feet.
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I then could know the length and width of the model in studs, I could then figure out how many hull center sections.
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Posted 16 December 2008 - 06:25 PM

Hello Kurt,

Excellent work!
This is a very imposing ship.
I like it very much.
The steamengine is impressive.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 07:00 PM

Kurt, this is one of the best ships I've seen in some time. This morning I looked for about 10 minutes at all the beautiful pictures in your BS gallery. It's got a perfect line! I like how you managed to build this on a standard hull and still made the deck so very wide. It must have taken some time and re-building to get the line of the ship looking this good. Thirtheen mid hull sections... that's amazing! I'm building a ship on 7 mid-sections and thought that was already mighty long. Might I ask how long you've worked on this beautiful vessel?

I would do two things differently: Go for 'real' sails out of canvas iso paper and go for 'real' rigging using ropes. You can still do that, but it will take some time and patience.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 08:23 PM

 Captain K., on Dec 16 2008, 07:25 PM, said:

Excellent work!
This is a very imposing ship.
I like it very much.
The steamengine is impressive.
I am glad that you like my ship, and I did work hard to make the walking-beam steam engine(s) look good, as well as work!
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Posted 16 December 2008 - 09:42 PM

 Bonaparte, on Dec 16 2008, 08:00 PM, said:

Kurt, this is one of the best ships I've seen in some time. This morning I looked for about 10 minutes at all the beautiful pictures in your BS gallery. It's got a perfect line! I like how you managed to build this on a standard hull and still made the deck so very wide. It must have taken some time and re-building to get the line of the ship looking this good. Thirtheen mid hull sections... that's amazing! I'm building a ship on 7 mid-sections and thought that was already mighty long. Might I ask how long you've worked on this beautiful vessel?

I would do two things differently: Go for 'real' sails out of canvas iso paper and go for 'real' rigging using ropes. You can still do that, but it will take some time and patience.

PS: I've resized the picture in your first post and made it a bit brighter.
High praise indeed, and many good questions, I will try to answer them.
"It's got a perfect line!" well when you have an accurate drawing and you follow it, to scale, fairly closely (with a few calculated changes), I do think you get a better looking model.
"I like how you managed to build this on a standard hull and still made the deck so very wide." the early fast packet steamships (see packet ships) wanted to go as fast as possible, to achieve this they made their in-the-water hull very long and narrow. Why? because the speed of a hull through the water is proportional to a constant (called a Froude number) times the squareroot of the length of the hull at the "moving" (not resting) waterline divided-by the width of the hull (ie. drag).
The Zavala was built in 1836 as a "fast" (for her time) packet steamship named the Charleston she had a hull waterline width (beam) of 24 feet and a waterline length of ~190 feet, ie. very long and narrow. However from port outside paddle-wheel shell to outside starboard paddle-wheel shell (measured from the scaled drawing) was ~50 feet.
The scale of my model was set by the width of the hull center pieces (16 studs) with two rows of inverted slopes on each side (16 + 4 = 20 studs) (see the reply I made above about scale). The "paddles" are a 2x8 plate with holes, in a 9 stud inside width paddle-wheel shell, so 11 studs outside width paddle-wheel shells, overlapping one stud with the side of the hull, means a overall width of 40 studs.
"It must have taken some time and re-building to get the line of the ship looking this good." not to bad all-in-all, other issues took much more time, like the steering!!! (I should have never wanted it), and the ships bell!
"Might I ask how long you've worked on this beautiful vessel?"  off and on the last 2 1/2 years, it's been my major lego project all of that time.
"I would do two things differently: Go for 'real' sails out of canvas iso paper and go for 'real' rigging using ropes." I had, as you might recall back in the lugnet pirate days, thought of making sails from cloth, but everyone keeps telling me how much they like my sails... maybe some day I'll try make some cloth sails for one of my smaller ships. As for rigging, I tried a number of "looks", I will write more about that later, I need to run.
Thanks again, and good to hear from you.
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Posted 17 December 2008 - 12:28 AM

Great ship. I like the sails and wheel. Texas pride for life.

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Posted 17 December 2008 - 04:31 PM

 Paul cantu, on Dec 17 2008, 01:28 AM, said:

Great ship. I like the sails and wheel. Texas pride for life.
I am you glad it. My sails are just paper (see the above discussion) but I am glad you like them, I think that what people like about my paper sails are the billowed shape (ie. wind filled) I can easily form in them, Is that what you liked about them?

I glad you like the ship's wheel, I do too, I like that it looks close to correct:
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vs mine:
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and I like that it works!!
The ropes on my ship's wheel goes down through the wardroom below:
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To be taken up by the "wooden" reels connected to the  reduction gears to the rudder on deck(s) below the wardroom:
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I like my lighted binnacle(compass) stand too...

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Posted 17 December 2008 - 05:11 PM

Waw, that's just awesome! Not only it is "new" but also very detailed. The rigging is just stunning and the wheels in the middle are great and look very realisitc. The whole ship is realistic by the way. :pir_laugh2:
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Posted 17 December 2008 - 05:38 PM

 Paul cantu, on Dec 17 2008, 01:28 AM, said:

Great ship. I like the sails and wheel. Texas pride for life.

Maybe you and...

 Cap'n Blackmoor, on Dec 17 2008, 06:11 PM, said:

Waw, that's just awesome! Not only it is "new" but also very detailed. The rigging is just stunning and the wheels in the middle are great and look very realisitc. The whole ship is realistic by the way. :pir_laugh2:
Keep up the good work!! Can't wait to see more MOC's of you in the future!

Are talking about the paddle-wheels?
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I am glad that you like the the newest. Although the 1840's aren't that new!  :wink: However, it's not common to see any side-paddle-wheel sailing steamships modeled in lego, in fact the only other one I know of is the USS Potempkin, 21 Gun Steam Sloop of War  
"Can't wait to see more MOC's of you in the future!" have you seen my other MOCs?
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Thanks for the praise!
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Posted 18 December 2008 - 04:56 PM

Wow! people no questions on how I  did some of these things?

   I figured that the working ship's wheel steering would cause excitement,
   and generate a number how did you do that questions.
   I may go back and rebuild some of my older ships to have working steering.

   I figured that curved inverted stern would cause how did I do it, and attach it, questions.

   Even the ship's bell:

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   I figured would cause questions

   It's not like I am on this forum much.

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 07:14 PM

Nice job RTN LNA! Your attention to detail is amazing, and accurate. Nice job!  :pirate:

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Posted 18 December 2008 - 10:42 PM

 Iron Corsair, on Dec 18 2008, 08:14 PM, said:

Nice job RTN LNA! Your attention to detail is amazing, and accurate. Nice job!  :pirate:
I am glad you enjoyed it, I like viewers who can appreciate the details, their praise is worth more!
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Posted 19 December 2008 - 04:27 AM

maybe no one else is gurios, but what exactaly did you use for the bell, i got the steering figured out i was already working on a similar system. Great fleet very, i mean VERY impressive. The paddle wheels are great too, however to make it look like it should, i don't think they should be a circle, they sgould be a circle with a flat side if you get what im saying. But great real great. :pir-wub: :thumbup:   :pir-wub:
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Posted 19 December 2008 - 06:32 AM

 CPT. Jr, on Dec 19 2008, 05:27 AM, said:

maybe no one else is gurios, but what exactaly did you use for the bell, i got the steering figured out i was already working on a similar system. Great fleet very, i mean VERY impressive. The paddle wheels are great too, however to make it look like it should, i don't think they should be a circle, they sgould be a circle with a flat side if you get what im saying. But great real great. :pir-wub: :thumbup:   :pir-wub:
You are a better man that I am! I build the steering 15 or 16 different ways over about 4 days, and I mean 15 or 16 times at a cost of and hour or more for each build! I was trying to get the clean real look and real (ie. number of turns of the wheel) operation. And I hear you on the paddle wheels, I just didn't like the look of paddles if they are more than one plate thick.

So about the bell, I ordered a number of odd chrome parts off of bricklink to try, so this time on the design of the bell the pain was that each test trying to get a better look, took a bricklink order wait for shipment to me cycle, so I worked on the bell off and on for three months before I got to the current look.

First credit where credit is do, the ships bell idea I got from this thread Useful Fabuland, Belville and pieces from other themes?, Useful parts, even for SYSTEM builders!! by ZCerberus and his bell on his ship the Arbiter I/II:
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as nice as his is, I wanted a round bell top, so off to peeron:
search peeron dome 2 x 2
533 doesn't come in chrome, I tried (bought some PearlCopper ones) NO

search peeron dish 2 x 2
I bought 4740 in chrome it worked poorly and looked worst "flatish" NO

search peeron round 2 x 2
what's this:
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Electric Light Reflector Round 2 x 2 x 2/3
I bought a couple of "x85"s I never knew of this part! wait....
Hey this works OK, and it looks better, not perfect but until I find a better way,
SAY if any of you see a better way ......

So the parts list...
note: the pics are linked

For the bell it self:
1 ChromeSilver 70973  Posted Image
1 ChromeSilver x85 Posted Image
1 ChromeSilver 382 Posted Image
3 Gray 4274 Posted Image

bucket plug in 4274 through x85 insert the cut T of the Sprue from 382 (I wrapped 2 turns of scotch tape around it to make it thicker and stick)

my mount:
trap 2 Black 6541 on the harpoons with 2 4274s
4 black 4589 2 each on each side of the mount
5 black 3623 one above and below the "4589-6541-4589"
and the last on the top of 2 black 3665
make 4, 3 high legs of 12 Black 3062b
edit -- opps forgot 2 black 3070b on each end on top of the 3665s
top it with 1 black 3399 in the anti-studs!!


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hope this is clear
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