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COMPARISON REVIEW: 6237 Pirates' Plunder


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#1 Mister Phes

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Posted 23 November 2007 - 08:06 AM


COMPARISON REVIEW: 6237 Pirates' Plunder


Assamite (we all remember him don't we?) was at a market one day and he stumbled across some Brick sets.  He so kindly purchased a couple and sent them to me.  I thought it would be interesting to compare them to their official LEGO counterparts, so here is the first COMPARISON REVIEW!!!

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Base plates
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This is definitely the most noticeable difference in terms of quality.  The Brick plate is a much brighter yellow and because of it doesn't look at nice as the LEGO.  The picture however is poor so this may not be evident.

The mini-figures suffer from rigid joints but unless you're playing them then it doesn't really matter.  The biggest annoyance is their hands fall out easily when positioning weapons in them.

Imperial Guard Commander
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The arms appear as a brighter shade of red.  This may pose problems in close-up shots however in large MOCs the mini-figure could well be suited to a dark shady background position.

Pirate
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The torso design is slightly different but it's not really that noticeable.

Parrot
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The Brick parrot has a different pattern so in fact this could be used along side the genuine LEGO parrot for some variation.

Treasure
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The Brick treasure appears more gold in colour rendering the genuine LEGO treasure to appear more platinum or perhaps even silver.

Combined in Chest
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When mixed together however you can't really tell the difference.

Shovel
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There is a noticeable colour difference between the shovels.  The Brick shovel is closer to the new "light stone" LEGO colour.  As The LEGO Group no longer produces the original shade of grey this is probably the colour they'd have to produce the shovel.  I don't think a bley shovel would work in a pirate set because it would look too metallic in a modern sense.

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The Brick swords are actually nicer than the genuine LEGO swords as their chrome surface makes them appear much more interesting.

Conclusion
The Brick set is definitely not a substitute for the genuine LEGO set but it is definitely not as inferior as many claim.

There is definitely a colour discrepancy between some of the pieces, but the LEGO Group has already forced such a discrepancy upon AFOLs  by changing the shades of grey and brown.  The same building principal applies to Brick pieces when combing them with genuine LEGO - they can work well in MOC just so long as builders use them strategically.

The quality in some areas is below that of LEGO which may pose a problem for children who actively play with their LEGO.  AFOLs on the other hand shouldn't have too many difficulties if they want to statically integrate the pieces into their MOCs.

Until the LEGO Group starts producing new Pirate sets I'd recommend Brick sets as suitable part packs for MOCing.


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Posted 28 November 2007 - 11:44 AM

A few might be surprised to hear me say this, but I think you make some valid points. IMHO blindly saying that "Lego is better" without being open enough to at least consider the options is silly. I would be very curious at the reaction this topic would get. Personally I would consider buying these if I found them in a store, although loose hands do bother me. (It's the biggest reason why I don't remove hands...  ;-) ) In fact, I think they look better than the average M%g! Bl&k sets.  :-D





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Posted 28 November 2007 - 01:07 PM

Looks pretty close to the original. Well, long time no seen, Pirate line, so if anybody find
some useful parts with these, why not. Iīm not a fighter for purity, just live and let live
and so, but well, itīs too close to the original for me. Although especially this is of
course the advantage of that set, I donīt want to support companies whichīre just copying
existing LEGO sets like that. Inventing ideas of their own, yes. Stealing the whole design, no.  *n*
But thanks for that interesting and useful review anyways, Mister Phes.

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 09:38 PM

Here is kinda what I think of it:

+5 points for introducing new colors (Chrome and the bird)
+5 for new torso decal EDIT: Whoop, they're not different.
+5 for Gold coins
-10 for essentially copying Lego

They look good, but it's just copying, and slightly improving, but less quality plastic.

Those chrome swords are neat looking and would enhance upon the original swords (in color).

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 10:02 PM

While I agree that this set is just a copy, I don't think it should be seen as inferior for that alone. As a similar (but not same  ;-) ) example, I never used to buy AMD chips, I would always insist on Intel because it was their design. But the Pentium 4 was a horrid design, made for Megahertz not useful work, and while I was waiting for Intel to admit to it and drop the design, I bought AMDs instead.

The question is; what makes a Lego set a Lego set?
  • Design? Obviously not as this is a Lego design and it still isn't Lego!
  • Manufacture?  Obviously not as Lego don't make most of their parts anymore.
  • Branding? Possibly, but Galidor wasn't well liked by many and that was official Lego.
Yes, I realise the obvious answer is that it is a combination of all, but if the manufacture can be done by someone else and it is still seen as Lego, why can't the branding be someone elses... 8-|  I like being a purist, but it is not because I blindly think Lego is better, it is because they are better. If that changes then I will consider jumping ship... or just buy more from BrickLink!  :-D Lego do not deserve our support for their name alone.

If M*g^ Bl&ks started making good designs I would even consider buying their sets... but I can't see that happening.  :-X

(Please note ImperialScouts and Asuka that this is not a rebuttle to your comments. I just thought I should clarify my points more.)





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Posted 28 November 2007 - 11:02 PM

So this means war, Sinner....  *sing*
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Or at least an easy joke....  :-P

Nah, seriously, youīve your fair point, no problem.
I can easily respect each other construction toy if they make good things.
But to benefit completely from the workmanship and creativity of others is, well,
simply piracy.  :-D
TLC gave a lot to me, and yeah, I payed a lot too, and of course Iīve sentimental
feelings toward this company. But they still struggle a little with financial success
and copying their design is by far much cheaper than to pay for a decent R&D department.  

So I donīt want to participate in something that could stress TLCīs  business efforts
by simply violating legal copyrights. Such company behaviorīs a degradation of every
creative work and could easily add some serious damage to TLCīs own developing process,
although I guess that set weīre talking about hereīs mostly sold in countries which
donīt care that much for international copyrights at all and where LEGO isnīt very
well represented too.
But if we could find such sets in a shop next to us, at half of the price of the original,
we could say good bye to TLC anyways.
I wouldnīt mind about legal competition, but how could TLC invent sets and improve their
quality with such cheap operating rivals? A bitter future this could be for all of us, because
these pirates wouldīt be able to give us some new and amazing set design out of their own craft.
And perhaps this is where your Intel/AMD comparison isnīt quiet accurate....  8-|

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 11:27 PM

View PostAsuka, on Nov 29 2007, 09:02 AM, said:

I wouldnīt mind about legal competition, but how could TLC invent sets and improve their
quality with such cheap operating rivals? A bitter future this could be for all of us, because
these pirates wouldīt be able to give us some new and amazing set design out of their own craft.
And perhaps this is where your Intel/AMD comparison isnīt quiet accurate....  8-|
Ahhh, but I think this is where the Intel/AMD comparison shines!  :-D Lego for most of its life has excelled in design and that is why I buy their products. The recent Technic Bulldozer is a work of art IMHO. Providing they keep up the good work they can count on my loyalty for years to come. Lego as they are have no real competition for AFOLs afterall. Sadly AFOLs are a small part of TLC market. I was out shopping the other day and some boy around 12 was really excited about the Combine Harvester, and his mum bought it for him as well. I love seeing stuff like that as it shows that there still is a market there for Lego, and it also shows that not all kids are obsessed with computer games and/or just blowing things up. (My boy is... :hmpf: )





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Posted 30 November 2007 - 08:57 AM

View PostSinner, on Nov 28 2007, 10:44 PM, said:

A few might be surprised to hear me say this, but I think you make some valid points.
What!!!  I always make valid points!


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Posted 30 November 2007 - 09:08 AM

View PostMister Phes, on Nov 30 2007, 06:57 PM, said:

What!!!  I always make valid points!
:-D I meant that people might be surprised to hear that I think a Lego-clone set could just possibly be worth buying. Perhaps I should have said;

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A few might be surprised to hear me say this, but I agree with much of what you said.





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Posted 30 November 2007 - 09:11 AM

That's much of the reason I create this review - I got tired of people criticising the clone brands without evaluating them properly.


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Posted 30 November 2007 - 01:50 PM

So, just to investigate a little closer, I guess that clone brandīs completely interchangeable
with LEGO.... and the handle diameter of the weapons donīt cause stress to the hands
of the MFs, and the studs fit perfectly?
How about these MF parts? Could these not so very fine clone legs/hips and arms be replaced
with the original LEGO ones, seamlessly? Because these heads and torsos seems like the
most interesting part of that set to me, beside some useful accessory that is....  8-|

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 01:53 PM

I haven't tried this yet...

I think I'll release this thread to the rest of the forum now since it seems to be the start of a good discussion.


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Posted 30 November 2007 - 02:38 PM

I think you should do some more comparrison reviews.
I'd like to see the Captain redbeard in Enlighten form.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 08:58 PM

You send me the sets and I'll review them!


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Posted 03 December 2007 - 05:45 PM

First time i saw these pics was when i surfed around on BS. And at first i though "what is this. Is this really a LEGOset?? I don't think these guyes look right". i wasn't aware that they really was a "fake" set untill i saw the titel.
Point is: it's easy to see it is not real legoset. The figs' heads are odd. Like a square. But the swords in silver is okay i think. And the parrot. Just for som change in the colours.

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Posted 03 December 2007 - 06:02 PM

Nice review Mr Phes!

Here is my opinion:
(The same format Imperialscouts used :-P )

+5 for shiny weapons
+5 new colours
-15 for copying TLC
-5 for crappy heads.

Overall= -10 :-/
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Posted 06 December 2007 - 10:44 PM

Why thank you Lord of Pies!

The heads don't look crappy head in the real life and I don't think they turned out too badly in the pictures.  They are slightly different, particular the density of the beard on the Imperial Guard.


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Posted 08 December 2007 - 05:24 PM

*Sniff*, I lost all of my pirates and armada sets... 8-|

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 11:48 PM

i like the Lego better because of the color difference and you cant move the arms good and the hands fall out and im loyal to Lego and hate copies

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 10:36 PM

Chrome cutlasses! *wub*  *wub*  *wub*

That parrot could be usefull, but for the rest it's a big fat *n*
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Posted 22 December 2007 - 02:00 PM

Mister Phes, could you take a picture with an official one with a fake ones' hat and weapons?

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 11:56 AM

My question is: do the plate fit exactly with Lego plates?  I remember when my little brother accidentally bought some Mega Bloks, I tested them and found that the elements are not compatible, due to size differences. Tyco bricks, on the other hand, seemed to work okay. They were scattered in my childhood Lego collection (before my dark ages) and seemed to work fine. Currently my collection is about 99.7% Lego (some old childhood Tyco bricks might be around still). I prefer Lego minifigs strongly over clone brands.

Hopefully, Lego will come out with a new pirate line in 2009 that will reclaim the pirate niche that these clone guys are exploiting.

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Posted 04 August 2008 - 12:06 PM

Seeing as this topic has been ressurected (probably my fault), I will give my say on this.
I think the silver cutlass is great (don't know how sturdy it is though) and also the 'parrot' is good for bird diversity, but I wouldn't buy this set, as it is funding a company who copies Lego completely.  :thumbdown:

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