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#1 Peoples_General

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 05:24 AM

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Just wanna know if there's any intel on this supposedly new set or is this a hoax. *wacko*

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 05:33 AM

This is discussed in another topic.  It's not a hoax, it's just an extremely realistic MOC.  We can dream, eh?

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 11:18 AM

Whoaw....  :oo  :oo  :oo

So this was really build? If so: Where are all those crome bricks from? Are they all available? Or has that guy put the chrome on them himself?

My mom wanted to put silver chrome on a lamp system including several small pipes and the spotlights, I'd say it would have been as much chrome as we see at that MOC, and they told her it would cost at least 3000 Euro!

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 11:24 AM

This guy chromed the whole ship himself. I saw the ship on brickshelf before the chroming ;)
Really neat ;)

EDIT: Here is the ship before its chrome transformation

http://www.brickshel...ry.cgi?f=123774

dismantled pre-chrome: http://www.brickshel...ry.cgi?f=123778

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 11:22 PM

xwingyoda, on Apr 11 2005, 06:24 AM, said:

This guy chromed the whole ship himself. I saw the ship on brickshelf before the chroming ;)
Really neat ;)

EDIT: Here is the ship before its chrome transformation

http://www.brickshel...ry.cgi?f=123774

dismantled pre-chrome: http://www.brickshel...ry.cgi?f=123778
He did a nice job with the chrome! :o

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 03:03 AM

Bloody Jay, on Apr 11 2005, 11:22 PM, said:

He did a nice job with the chrome! :o
http://www.brickshel...y.cgi?i=1172124

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 08:19 AM

Ahhh how we can all dream for a chrome ship like this :'(

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 08:56 AM

this guy used airbrush or whatever to build this model, in fact, it wouldn't be hard to do same. it's one universal color, you can easily find a spray can in your local model builder shop... there are no specific small details in any other color,... you've obviously never seen websites on 1/48 aircraft models... the real stuff would, by the way, be weathered and far from shining like that. but sure, it's nicely done...

the model itself is not really attractive. it's not sophisticated or an original design... sure, i've seen worse and the entire context (the box, the other models,...) looks all very great, but let's not exagerate. it's a simple basic design, nothing more, nothing less; without the chrome paint, many of you probably wouldn't even like it...

the 3000 euro argument is nonsense. i can paint the same ship with a traditional model builder's can (and i'd most likely use silver instead of chrome and you wouldn't even notice the difference). the can would cost me 1 euro! sure, it's going to cost 15 euro or so, if i use a spray can instead of air brush...

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 09:03 AM

I agree on the fact that the ship has nothing really special. The only great part is the chrome finish.
I don't think you will have the same render with a basic can spray ;)

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 10:05 AM

trust me, darn good model builders (certainly not me) have all it takes to duplicate this result...

the model is also not really acurate either. the builder should have used cones instead of domes for these pods on the wingtips
see:
http://www.brickshel...y.cgi?i=1180491


by the way, did you know that the star wars designers "stole" this design?
it's basically this:
http://jimbarnhart.n...ackbird_03.html

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 10:13 AM

snefroe1,

To tell you the truth I never liked that Naboo ship anyway - I think its way too modern for the OT.

Effectively this guy could have made a better design, that's for sure (however I am far from undermining his work).
He should have made the top more rond and smoother as well.

I knew that SW designers, under GL heavy supervision, re-interpreted the Blackbird into a modern  Naboo Chromebird ;) but thanks for the info ;)

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 10:27 AM

snefroe1, on Apr 13 2005, 10:56 AM, said:

the 3000 euro argument is nonsense. i can paint the same ship with a traditional model builder's can (and i'd most likely use silver instead of chrome and you wouldn't even notice the difference). the can would cost me 1 euro! sure, it's going to cost 15 euro or so, if i use a spray can instead of air brush...
Sorry, but I have to disagree with this: With standard silver paint brush you will never achieve the same results you get with polished chrome. Look for example at silver / gray cars: You can still see that the color of them is some gray'ish silver (sometimes covered by with clear paint brush). But then look at chrome: Chrome is like a mirror, you can't notice any shade of a color!

Chrome parts and silver painted parts are something completely different!

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 11:54 AM

ApophisV, on Apr 13 2005, 10:27 AM, said:

snefroe1, on Apr 13 2005, 10:56 AM, said:

the 3000 euro argument is nonsense. i can paint the same ship with a traditional model builder's can (and i'd most likely use silver instead of chrome and you wouldn't even notice the difference). the can would cost me 1 euro! sure, it's going to cost 15 euro or so, if i use a spray can instead of air brush...
Sorry, but I have to disagree with this: With standard silver paint brush you will never achieve the same results you get with polished chrome. Look for example at silver / gray cars: You can still see that the color of them is some gray'ish silver (sometimes covered by with clear paint brush). But then look at chrome: Chrome is like a mirror, you can't notice any shade of a color!

Chrome parts and silver painted parts are something completely different!
i think the specialists use all sorts of coats to tackle this...
or perhaps it's just me being a bad painter...
in any case, i feel that painting lego models is a bridge too far for me...

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 12:03 PM

xwingyoda, on Apr 13 2005, 11:13 AM, said:

snefroe1,

To tell you the truth I never liked that Naboo ship anyway - I think its way too modern for the OT.
It's supposed to look modern, Naboo is a very artfull, modern planet. In the days of the Republic, some things were even more modern than they were when the Galaxy was ruled by the Empire. During the Empire's rule, all  normal technology went backwards, while the militairy technology improved, that why all things look so old and non-modern in the OT. Many people don't understand that, they think because the prequels are situated almost 20 years before the OT that all the people from that time are dumbasses ;) .

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 12:49 PM

Where is the world going, a Padawan teaching a Master :-D  ;)

I know that technology was more advanced before the coming of the Empire. If you only take the Naboo exemple, this ship is real slick and really modern looking, but on the other hand, the Naboo starfighter is a lot less modern looking *wacko*

You talk about megablock technology - look at the wookiees :-D  :P

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 01:09 PM

Okay, a last word from me on chrome: (Yeah, I'm getting on your nerves, I know...  *twisted* )

Snefroe, I'm not calling you a bad painter or whatever, I just want to say that the chrome effect CAN'T be achieved with spray painting. I'm not sure about this explanation, but I think the problem is that the surface to get the chrome effect (mirror like) must be completely plain, even microscopical (or mabye even smaller?!? Dunno about the precies values). Spray paint uses gas and pressure to spray small color particles on the surface, but because spray cans aren't very precise those particles are too large to create a really plain surface. This causes the dull look (at least compared to real chrome) of silverspray paint.

(As always: Since this "explanation" just grew in my head based on my bad chemistry and whatever knowledges without of any sure clues (besides what I think to know  :$ ) every other informations on this would be highly appreciated!)

Here are two examples to illustrate the differences:

Padme's Yacht (by Gareth):
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Compared to the Royal Starship:
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Both for sure look really great, but you see that the spray painted ship is looking more dull than the chrome one.

Nonetheless I think that no normal Lego fan really needs real chrome on their MOCs, because spray paint does just fine. Just wanted to show the differences....  :$

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Posted 13 April 2005 - 02:01 PM

KhoRne, on Apr 13 2005, 12:03 PM, said:

xwingyoda, on Apr 13 2005, 11:13 AM, said:

snefroe1,

To tell you the truth I never liked that Naboo ship anyway - I think its way too modern for the OT.
It's supposed to look modern, Naboo is a very artfull, modern planet. In the days of the Republic, some things were even more modern than they were when the Galaxy was ruled by the Empire. During the Empire's rule, all  normal technology went backwards, while the militairy technology improved, that why all things look so old and non-modern in the OT. Many people don't understand that, they think because the prequels are situated almost 20 years before the OT that all the people from that time are dumbasses ;) .
i know that's the official explanation for the difference in colors/styles and at first, you'd have to say: it's logical, but it's not. especially a rebel fleet would have to use second hand planes, left overs of the old fleet, second hand piece of junk,... not state of the art x-wings and snowspeeders... So, in reality, they would have to use the yellow starfighters of ep III in ep IV, V,... instead of bright yellow in ep III, you would have to have faded yellow in epIV,V... Or we would have to see the X-wing in its full glory in epIII, fighting in a real air force, not a rebel force...
20 years or so between epIII and IV simply isn't enough to replace an entire generation of craft... I guess GL knew this was going to be a problem, but in my view, he never really solved that...  

And Apo, i'm not saying that you're calling me a bad painter, I'm saying I'm a bad painter... why do you think I'm building lego models and not model kits... :P

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Posted 14 April 2005 - 01:44 AM

I can't see the second image... anyone?

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Posted 14 April 2005 - 08:14 AM

Bloody Jay, on Apr 14 2005, 01:44 AM, said:

I can't see the second image... anyone?
I can see it without any problem, weird.

Have you tried to right click on it to save it on your hard drive or to make the image come?? (OK I'm not good with computers).

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Posted 14 April 2005 - 04:03 PM

if the image does not show up a little box should in the corner of the box that the pic would show up in rite click that then click open image

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Posted 14 April 2005 - 05:14 PM

I found this on FBTB:

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Well, it's taken 3+ years of hardship and planning, and a lot of $$$, but I finally give you my MOC Naboo Royal Starship (NRS) Set 7090, completely chromed in vacuum metal aluminum. *shiny*  I think this model is close to what the Lego Co would produce in size and design. Everyone kept hoping Lego Co would produce an official version, but it seems less and less likely given the cost of vacuum metalizing; plus I couldn't wait to see how this would look! And, I think the results speak for themselves! 

Pepa Quin wrote:
One thing though, on the 'box' artwork.... why is Darth Vader wearing Mickey ears? 

Thanks for all the praise, guys.  I'm glad you're enjoying my MOC. =) Darth Vader's got Mickey ears because I wanted to imply this is a Limited Commemorative set possibly only available through Disneylands. Although it's possible, I don't think Lego would ever widely release an all-chrome set like this. The logo is from Disney World's SW Celebration this year.

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Oo shiny! I realy like it! How much did it cost to make that chrome?

Vacuum Metalizing is not a cheap process. I looked at a bunch of places before settling on VMC. Their prices were average; but their customer service really made them stand out. I ended up paying a bit more than $100+ in the end. Keep in mind, it would probably be somewhat cheaper for Lego Co b/c they would do it in large bulk. I checked into a lot of alternative processes, but nothing produces the same "mirror-like" results.  And, since Lego chrome is vacuum metalized also, I wanted to stay as close to "official" Lego as possible.

Hope this helps.
I myself think this is a really good model. :-D

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Posted 14 April 2005 - 08:51 PM

Now it shows up... that's damn wicked!

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 07:48 AM

Set 7090 Naboo Royal Starship - Vac Metal
[url="http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=123764"]Brickshelf Gallery - Naboo Royal Starship[/url]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for all the comments.   *satis*  I had not realized my MOC was being discussed on another page besides FBTB.  I wish someone would have informed me, as I am the creator of this MOC.  As you can see from "Languages" post, the description of my model and experience planning and executing this MOC is all there.  For more info, here is the link to the FBTB topic:

[url="http://www.fbtbforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=1304"]FBTB Topic: MOC Set 7090 All Chrome Naboo Royal Starship - Vac Metal[/url]

Let me answer some of your comments:
[quote="Peoples General"]Just wanna know if there's any intel on this supposedly new set or is this a hoax.[/quote]
1) It was [u]never[/u] my intent to mislead people into thinking this was an actual set.  If you look on the FBTB page, it is clearly listed under the MOC section.  I had just seen mock-up boxes in the past, and thought it would be a cool idea to consider "What if . . .?"  That being said, I'm also glad my MOC was done well enough to be mistaken for an "official" Lego Co set, as that [u]was[/u] my intent all along.  :-D

QUOTE ("snefroe1"]this guy used airbrush or whatever to build this model @  in fact, it wouldn't be hard to do same. it's one universal color, you can easily find a spray can in your local model builder shop... there are no specific small details in any other color,... you've obviously never seen websites on 1/48 aircraft models... the real stuff would, by the way, be weathered and far from shining like that. but sure, it's nicely done...[/I)
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2) Um, no.  :/  It was not "airbrushed" or even "spray painted" on.  If only it had been that simple!  I researched this for 2+ years hoping there was a simple and cheap method of achieving the "chrome" finish.  But, as anyone who's checked this out can tell you, "chrome" paint is no where near "chrome."  There are some processes which give a similar finish but they are not widely or cheaply available.  Plus, Lego Co Chrome pieces are all Vacuum Metalized as well.  Therefore, in the end, I decided to go with Vacuum Metalizing, even though the process is expensive, and the prep is time-consuming.  I think the results speak for themselves.   *glasses*

[quote="snefroe1"]the model is also not really acurate either. the builder should have used cones instead of domes for these pods on the wingtips[/quote]
[quote="xwingyoda"][i]Effectively this guy could have made a better design, that's for sure (however I am far from undermining his work).
He should have made the top more rond and smoother as well.[/quote]
3) I guess everyone's entitled to their own opinion.  *shrug*  But, my intent was to create this model using the ideas used by Lego Co, and the pieces available [u][i]at the time that Eps I SW Lego sets were released[/u].  If I had used "cones" as suggested, both sides of the engines would have looked identical and not very attractive.  Also, if you look at earlier SW Lego sets, they are not totally accurate to their Lucas counterparts.  My design takes these ideas into consideration. Plus, you have to consider, "how many chrome pieces would Lego Co actually release?"  This model was completely my own design, and I began with an idea and drafting on paper.  The final model was a slightly modified version 2.0.  Here is the link for version 1.0 and the original drafting pics.
[url="http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=124281"]Brickshelf - NBS version 1.0[/url]

4) Vacuum Metalization
For those of you who don't know, this is actually a process whereby a thin coat of metal (Aluminum) is applied to items placed in a vacuum chamber.  Simply, it is essentially like coating your item with a "mirror," hence the "chrome" effect.  The final item is coated with polyurethane (like car paints), and can be waxed.  If anyone would like to know more about this process, send me a PM.  You can also look at the FBTB topic.

I thank you all for your comments, and apologize for being a bit protective about my model.  I don't usually make MOCs; but this has been my pet project for 3+ years, and myself and many other fans have been really pleased with the results.  I encourage everyone to try their hand at MOCs and see how their results compare.  Please let me know if there are any more Q's or comments.  :)

Sincerely,
etcknight / etc101

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 02:06 PM

Thanks for the info!  :oD

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whereby a thin coat of metal (Aluminum) is applied to items
Huh? Aluminium?!? Why does it wear the name of another metal (Chrome / Chromium)? Is this resulting from any historical method? (Where chrome stillw as used maybe?)

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I had not realized my MOC was being discussed on another page besides FBTB
There were also threads on 1000steine.de and CSF about your MOC, you see, you're wellknown now... ;)

BTW: (Even if a bit late) Welcome aboard!  :)

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Posted 19 April 2005 - 07:12 PM

Great to have the artist himself respond!  Welcome!




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