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#3576 Aanchir

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 10:20 PM

View PostCirkit, on 23 September 2012 - 09:41 PM, said:

I don't like the whole
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I actually expected something more focused on Core Hunter's hobby- extracting cores and disabling Heroes. Something more focused on Core Hunter and Bulk. I know it's unlikely that LEGO would ever consider something so violent, but I would have liked to see Core Hunter disable Heroes sent to aid Bulk in his mission, then Bulk beat Core Hunter down and rip out his core! OR just shoot a hole through the Hunter. Either way, that would be bad-A. Am I right?

I don't think a "violence begets violence" resolution for a story involving Core Hunter would really be appropriate to the character. I think a villain as twisted as him needs a psychological punishment of some kind, not just a violent one, and I think this story does that nicely. Not as nicely as the way Dream breaks up the serial killers' convention in Neil Gaiman's The Sandman, but still to the point that he is thoroughly humiliated by the very end.

Also, rest assured that while Core Hunter's MO is not what drives the plot in this story (only one "good guy" dies in this story), the horrendousness of what Core Hunter does is frequently alluded to and not taken lightly.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 05:00 PM

View PostAanchir, on 23 September 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

I don't think a "violence begets violence" resolution for a story involving Core Hunter would really be appropriate to the character. I think a villain as twisted as him needs a psychological punishment of some kind, not just a violent one, and I think this story does that nicely. Not as nicely as the way Dream breaks up the serial killers' convention in Neil Gaiman's The Sandman, but still to the point that he is thoroughly humiliated by the very end.

Also, rest assured that while Core Hunter's MO is not what drives the plot in this story (only one "good guy" dies in this story), the horrendousness of what Core Hunter does is frequently alluded to and not taken lightly.
Those last lines were the best to hear. Core Hunter's taken seriously, and is given a thorough punishment in the end. Even if that punishment results in
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 12:19 AM

New Omega recon update was good. Provided a good explanation as to why Stringer was not present for the final battle (a damn sight better than "I forgot where I parked my Hero Pod!"), and was an unexpected twist on the general storytelling of the reports.

However, it's labeled as report number 6. Which is just wtf.


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Posted 29 September 2012 - 12:51 AM

Thanks Aanchir! I'm actually intrigued by the book now. It's cool to hear Core Hunter does nasty stuff on screen. And speaking of him...

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Now some us were made long enough ago that we knew Core Hunter when he was one of the good guys, before he went into business for himself, if you know what I mean. Now he’s a bounty hunter and after a while sitting on the fence, well, he’s obviously picked a side!

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 01:18 AM

View PostDorek, on 29 September 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:

New Omega recon update was good. Provided a good explanation as to why Stringer was not present for the final battle (a damn sight better than "I forgot where I parked my Hero Pod!"), and was an unexpected twist on the general storytelling of the reports.

However, it's labeled as report number 6. Which is just wtf.

So many Omega Recon updates... it kind of annoys me because we've only gotten two entries to Lloyd Garmadon's Blog. :hmpf_bad: Now, I recognize that Hero Factory needs story supplements way more than Ninjago does, since Ninjago already has a full TV series, not to mention successful books and graphic novels, but at the same time I'd prefer character-driven writing to these awkward snippets of story in any theme.

View PostShakar, on 29 September 2012 - 12:51 AM, said:

Thanks Aanchir! I'm actually intrigued by the book now. It's cool to hear Core Hunter does nasty stuff on screen. And speaking of him...
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Posted 29 September 2012 - 03:28 AM

Well that's a twist!
While part of me thinks again(?) with Core Hunter's back story, he was a Hero turned rogue, out to get Hero Factory and blah blah blah, I like the sound of the whole thing especially the part with
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I think I may just have to pick up this book whenever it hits stores.. sounds like a good read. :D

By the way, has it been confirmed whether or not the things featured in this book will be in an episode? Or XT4/Nex or Breez/Thornraxx for that matter.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 04:30 AM

So based on the timeline, Core Hunter's defection is post-Von Ness? Because if I remember right, it was pointedly stated that VN was the first of their kind to go bad (but then, as presented with the book timeline, he was on the first Hero team as it is anyway, so not terribly unsurprising). Either way, I love that this is all tying into the various media. There are some discrepancies here and there, but there's an actual effort to tie in these various media bits, which is something HF was definitely was lacking (too bad the comics decided to go in a different direction, but ah well, can't have it all).

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 11:40 AM

View PostCirkit, on 29 September 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:

Well that's a twist!
While part of me thinks again(?) with Core Hunter's back story, he was a Hero turned rogue, out to get Hero Factory and blah blah blah, I like the sound of the whole thing especially the part with
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I think I may just have to pick up this book whenever it hits stores.. sounds like a good read. :D

By the way, has it been confirmed whether or not the things featured in this book will be in an episode? Or XT4/Nex or Breez/Thornraxx for that matter.
Core Hunter's a bit different than a lot of villains connected with the Hero Factory in that he doesn't seem to have any desire for revenge. He hunts heroes as a way of building a reputation as a villain, and his primary motivation seems to be to become legendary, rather than anything as petty and spiteful as revenge.

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I strongly doubt that this book's contents will become an episode. There are just a lot of aspects of them that don't seem like episode material, particularly the huge cast of characters, frequent callbacks, and failure to advertise many of the most recent sets. All in all, it's a great story, and could potentially be adapted into animated form quite well, but it simply doesn't mesh with the style or purpose (advertising toys) of the other episodes.

There's also the small issue of this story conflicting with Breakout in small ways. Multiple times villains still on the loose are named, and the list always includes all the villains from the summer sets-- including Speeda Demon and Volt. Speeda Demon still being on the loose is actually a bit of a plot point, even though he doesn't actually appear in the story. While these aspects could easily be changed for an episode, something tells me that if the story were written with the intent of broadcasting it as an episode, these errors would not have snuck by.

I was actually hoping we might at least see the heroes and villains not featured in Breakout in some type of mini-movies on LEGO.com, much like the two-minute Ninjago mini-movies from last year, but alas, it was never all that likely.

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So based on the timeline, Core Hunter's defection is post-Von Ness? Because if I remember right, it was pointedly stated that VN was the first of their kind to go bad (but then, as presented with the book timeline, he was on the first Hero team as it is anyway, so not terribly unsurprising). Either way, I love that this is all tying into the various media. There are some discrepancies here and there, but there's an actual effort to tie in these various media bits, which is something HF was definitely was lacking (too bad the comics decided to go in a different direction, but ah well, can't have it all).
Probably after Von Ness. I don't remember the story ever specifying. Von Ness is certainly an older Hero, having been around since the infancy of Alpha 1 Team. However, it should be noted that the recent Omega Recon update says that "after a while sitting on the fence, well, he’s obviously picked a side!" So this suggests that Core Hunter may have given up his career as a Hero before he dedicated his life to villainy. I still imagine he deserted the Hero Factory after Von Ness, but I still think it's a point worth noting.

The funny thing is that both The Doom Box and the Omega Recon #6 update just describe Core Hunter's history in brief (though it gets mentioned several times in The Doom Box), as if we're supposed to know it already. But I have never seen it mentioned outside these story materials.

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:08 PM

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 07:56 PM

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Sorry but I had to do that xD

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Posted 29 September 2012 - 08:05 PM

^ Aww, come on. ^

Thanks for the explanation, Aanchir. Interesting that Surge's insecurity about being an Hero (a 2010 subplot, right?) was brought up again. I wonder if deep down CH's core stealing could symbolize his desire to forget his past- he literally robs "fellow" Heroes of what represents them the most.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:17 PM

View PostShakar, on 29 September 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

^ Aww, come on. ^

Thanks for the explanation, Aanchir. Interesting that Surge's insecurity about being an Hero (a 2010 subplot, right?) was brought up again. I wonder if deep down CH's core stealing could symbolize his desire to forget his past- he literally robs "fellow" Heroes of what represents them the most.


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Posted 17 October 2012 - 01:01 PM

Just got breez, and shes actually not that bad. Surprisingly more feminine in hand than I thought, I like her. Still need to do some mods, but a bit of posing can do a lot for her.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 06:16 PM

View PostVBBN, on 17 October 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

Just got breez, and shes actually not that bad. Surprisingly more feminine in hand than I thought, I like her. Still need to do some mods, but a bit of posing can do a lot for her.
Yep, I agree. I've modded mine in several ways-- making her lower legs one module shorter (it kind of reduces ankle posability but makes her ankles seem a little less emaciated in front of a light-colored background), narrowing her shoulders by two modules, shortening the upper arm shells to 3M, shortening the lower arm bones to 5M (which sadly means they can't be white on my Breez) and making her thigh armor symmetrical (which I see you've already done with yours).

Phenomenal photography by the way. Really shows the set in a great light.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 06:31 PM

I've given mine wings to carry her blades and used one of the lime "tank" parts from Reapa as a jetpack, attached to a foot on her back.
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Posted 18 October 2012 - 01:10 AM

Ah, Breez is my favorite set of the 2012 lot, just ahead of Stormer and Rocka.  Looks great with those shoulder pads and those feet, in any pose you put 'em. Wish the new Breez had em.

I still can't find her on my local Target or Walmart shelves, and last I checked the Toys R Us didn't have her either!
Out of the Breakout sets on my wishlist, Breez ranks pretty high up.  

It's a shame we never got to see this Breez in action. It would have been epic.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:29 AM

Beings as though Bulk was the only Hero I didn't have, I sprung and got him. Not bad actually, but not my favorite set from Breakout.
Loving the way his cuffs are attached. Very unique.

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 02:16 AM

I know! Paint it gold and Bulk's got bling. :laugh:

The 2012 waves have been very helpful in my MOC making. Those squarish shells, used on the shoulder for Bulk and on the upper legs for Core Hunter have proven quite effective, and the purple parts in Voltix are excellent.

Sorry, I mean medium lilac, not purple.

I'm finding all sorts of uses for Stormer's Scout-drones too.. crotch armor, chest decor, ears.. their shape is interesting, and I love working with them.

Here's hoping the next wave proves just as great with useful parts and playability!

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 02:20 AM

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 02:42 AM

I'm glad to hear it!
I wonder how useful the helmets in the next wave will be.. the preliminary pictures make it look like they won't be very much so.. but that's for another thread ;)

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 04:43 PM

Just got Stormer XL, I couldn't resist...
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Posted 20 October 2012 - 05:53 PM

Good one :laugh:.
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Posted 20 October 2012 - 08:57 PM

Epic 'poster'.
Stormer's XL is one of the best of the wave, I think. :)

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:28 PM

I got Hero Factory Secret Mission #2: Legion of Darkness recently. It was very interesting, though not as engaging for me personally as The Doom Box had been.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 06:42 PM

Wow. It sounds great. And we get Thornraxx involved at last.
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