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53 replies to this topic  – Started by ZCerberus , Dec 15 2006 12:27 AM

#1 ZCerberus

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 12:27 AM

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Well I cannot rebuild the Sienna yet... However, I can get some Ideas down on CAD for ya'll.

This is what I envision the new ship to look like.  It is different in that the type of ship hasn't really been seen on here before.

The Red Drake thread is the closest to it I am thinking.

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It is missing ALOT of detail, I know, but I wanted to get a structure down to see if I thought the overall design worked.  I think it works pretty well.  I am using the narrower hulls because I have them, and I wanted the ship to look sleek and fast.

It will eventually have a history (pirate hunter), but for now, I thought I would share a picture of the designs!

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#2 Norrington

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 12:37 AM

lookin petty good.
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Posted 15 December 2006 - 01:10 AM

Looking good, great idea, maybe add a d ragon at the stern.  *y*

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 02:32 AM

lookin good so far.  it seems like a good design.  i like the triangle sail design on ships (too bad frigates dont have primarily triangle sails  8-| ). the only two improvements i would suggest is to use four 3 x 3 facets on the front of the ship.  Also, the main mast and mizzen mast might need to be a little closer together.  nothin major, just suggestions.  the coloring looks good on there too.  

Oh yeah, it needs a figure head.
(hmm...      ....that's enough fer now, back to pondering)

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 05:16 AM

View Postphred, on Dec 14 2006, 08:32 PM, said:

the main mast and mizzen mast might need to be a little closer together.  nothin major, just suggestions.  the coloring looks good on there too.

Yes, I am not solid on positioning the mizzen mast.  I am also not solid on the front mast either.  It may have to be tipped forward, but we will see.  I can, and may also add some lines on the ship to show were the rigging would go.

In terms of a figure head, I am not sure if there will be one at all, but I will think about it.  yes, I would like to use facets... but I am not sure they come in red...  Bricklink says they do, I am not sure that I have any!  I suppose I could use black up there, but we'll see!

Remember, it is short on details right now, but I do plan to add them.  She still has a few tricks up her sleeves!

View PostCapn Kirk 911, on Dec 14 2006, 07:10 PM, said:

Looking good, great idea, maybe add a d ragon at the stern.  *y*

Then it really would be the Red Drake!  ;-)

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 05:20 AM

Nice job.  I love the color combination.

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 05:24 AM

View Postphred, on Dec 14 2006, 08:32 PM, said:

i like the triangle sail design on ships (too bad frigates dont have primarily triangle sails  8-| ).

It is called being 'lateen-rigged' and some ships like this one actual did have the square sails, oddly called being 'square-rigged'   :-D

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 05:27 AM

Ok...  Before I move forward, I must move backwards...

What's happening with the old Sienna?

PS.  You probably should put a link to the old Sienna in your first post so newcomers can quickly and easily find the thread as they might not have viewed it yet.


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Posted 15 December 2006 - 05:34 AM

View PostTheBrickster, on Dec 14 2006, 11:20 PM, said:

Nice job.  I love the color combination.

Thanks!  I went red, black and dark gray because some people didn't like the blue and white combo scheme of the Arbiter with the Tan and red sails!

Also, I asked my girlfriend (who sometimes reads the forums) which color (blue or red) and she picked red.


View PostMister Phes, on Dec 14 2006, 11:27 PM, said:

Ok...  Before I move forward, I must move backwards...

What's happening with the old Sienna?

Well the hulls on the Sienna are being taken by the Covenant.  I am going to try to use the wider hulls on the larger ships.

The reason this ship is staying as the Sienna is that they are intended to have the same purpose.  The weapons on the old Sienna were black and dangerous looking, and though you couldn't really tell, there was a gun cart under the bridge.  The ships is meant to be a 'Pirate hunter', meaning it is going to carry some marines who will be raiding pirate ships to scuttle or reclaim them.  The new ship is intended to look faster, be a little better armed, and, I hope, different from the other ships I have built.  That is why I am going with the leteen-rigged sails as well as some other modifications.

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 06:09 AM

I feel compelled to do a comparison so we can better observe the differences...


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Posted 15 December 2006 - 06:47 AM

EDIT:
Okay, so I switched up the brickshelf folders and now Phes's links don't work.  Here are the pics that were in that post
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See, they are almost identical!  Heh- I hope the Covenant rebuild looks as different as well.  Maybe you can tell that the original Sienna and Covenant (and even Arbiter) are quite old and need some updating.

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 03:51 PM

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 06:21 PM

View PostZCerberus, on Dec 15 2006, 05:47 PM, said:

See, they are almost identical!


I think you're new design is a vast improvement because the Sienna no longer looks short and fat, rather it looks powerful and ready to take on the high seas.


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Posted 15 December 2006 - 06:54 PM

View PostZCerberus, on Dec 14 2006, 11:24 PM, said:

It is called being 'lateen-rigged' and some ships like this one actual did have the square sails, oddly called being 'square-rigged'   :-D
Kewl thanx, i didn't know what that type of rigging is called.
[(repeating in my head)lateen-rigging, lateen-rigging, lateen-rigging, lateen-rigging, lateen-rigging, lateen-rigging]

View PostMister Phes, on Dec 15 2006, 12:09 AM, said:

I feel compelled to do a comparison so we can better observe the differences...
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Hmm.  That's quite an improvement!

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Posted 15 December 2006 - 08:18 PM

View Postphred, on Dec 15 2006, 12:54 PM, said:

Hmm.  That's quite an improvement!

I think so, and I still have some work to do on it!

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 01:14 AM

Okay, now on to some more updates, and some secret sauce ;)

I added some deck guns, a couple marines, some lanterns and some weapons.

And something else too, but I forgot what... oh yeah, the secret sauce.

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I don't know how practical this is, but Xebecs were actually often only rowed when they were first in existence.  Later, they added sails and often took out the row benches to make gun decks.  I have decided that it fits my ships theme to leave them in there, plus, I am not sure anyone has done this idea before, so I thought I would throw it out there.

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View PostMr Tiber, on Dec 15 2006, 09:51 AM, said:

So this is a pirate ship??

No.  Pirate hunting ship.  The Imperials will own another in my fleet

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 03:34 AM

Lookin' good man. No offense though, but "Secret sauce" sounds like some type of dirty phrase.....
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Posted 16 December 2006 - 03:56 AM

View PostNorrington, on Dec 15 2006, 09:34 PM, said:

Lookin' good man. No offense though, but "Secret sauce" sounds like some type of dirty phrase.....

Norrington... dirty, dirty mind!

Nothing dirty meant, just that it was different and special.

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 04:26 AM

i was j/k.[quote]
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Posted 16 December 2006 - 08:43 AM

Another update already?

Well a little more done.  I added a long boat to the back, but it is not a minifig rowboat like I probably will use.  That part is not available on MLCAD.  Also, added a few more Marines.

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A look at the Marines manning this piece of junk...

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 12:12 PM

Are the marines wearing a white backpack or a white cape??

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 04:12 PM

View PostMr Tiber, on Dec 16 2006, 06:12 AM, said:

Are the marines wearing a white backpack or a white cape??

Neither!

It is hard to tell from the pics, but they have a white bracket (neck hanger) on with a clip on the back so they can carry a black musket with them as well.  Nice thing about MLCAD... you can always get a new pic... I'll show one from the back so you can see what they are packing.

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View PostZCerberus, on Dec 16 2006, 03:12 PM, said:

Neither!

It is hard to tell from the pics, but they have a white bracket (neck hanger) on with a clip on the back so they can carry a black musket with them as well. Nice thing about MLCAD... you can always get a new pic... I'll show one from the back so you can see what they are packing.

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Very ingenious!!

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Posted 16 December 2006 - 04:18 PM

i've used that echnuige before, but on star wars bounty hunters.
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