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 Star Trek Beyond is excellent! I absolutely love the new cast and the writing was very good. It's still sad about Anton Yelchin's recent and tragic death. He is an excellent Chekov! They just announced that Chekov will not be recast for Star Trek 4 and that's a choice I whole heartedly agree with. He's a young actor who may be best remembered for these movies.

It's the 50th Anniversary! Theres a new movie and television series on the way! Celebrate! I just came back from seeing Star Trek Beyond and realized there's no official thread for discussing Star Trek in this forum.

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How did Beyond compare to the previous two movies? The trailer made it look rather bad.

I dont think the trailers did Beyond justice at all except for maybe the Rihanna one.

Justin Lin created some really excellent, cool shots especially of the Enterprise which I wont spoil. No lens flare. The story is pretty straight forward but the character interactions are all on point. Lots of in jokes. Writing shines. Its hard to say since im still coming off seeing this one but in many ways Beyond may be the best of the three, although I love all three.

I dont know if i'd recommend 3D, which is the format I saw, only because theres a lot of action and that ended up looking more blurred.

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I read a review that I thought was very fair. Basically, for all the old school Trekkies, it states that this a good movie for the new generation/version of what Trek has become. I'm the first one to say "where's the exploration?" when it comes to reboot Trek movies, but it seems incorrect to wish these movies felt more like TOS or TNG. The modern era of where the world is at seems to not want Trek to go that route, which is fine, but sometimes hard to get used to. Trek needs this new Star Wars actiony feel to stay relevant.

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Can't wait to see the new ST:Beyond! :laugh:

Star Trek always has a special place in my heart; can remember sitting on my parents lap and watching ST:TNG as a kid, probably the first SciFi I've ever seen...

Though I've seen ST:TNG, ST:DSN, ST:V, ST:E and all the movies. The original series don't appeal to me for some reason. Although, I liked the 'Trials and Tribble-ations/Flashback' episodes and did like the new movies... :wacko:

Wish they would bring us a new series... :sweet:

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I grew up with TNG and have been a Star Trek fan ever since. Usually the quality of the TV series is significantly higher than the films. The last one I found genuinely good was VI - and that is more than a bit ago now :wink:

Sure, the spirit of the original series is much more hands-on, than - lets say - in TNG, but looking at the TV landscape in the 60s, TOS was a very intellectual and progressive series. No doubt about that.

Same for TNG, which was also pretty outstanding for the late 80s, when it came out, but its focus was way more on peaceful, diplomatic solutions, where Kirk would just have hammered a bunch of torpedos in :classic: Not to forget the amazing worldbuilding they did over the 7 seasons the series went. They really created a rich and vast universe (unlike Star Wars, where most of the action happens on a handful of planets^^)

DS9, Voy and Ent really dropped the ball for me.Though they had some very likeable characters and interactions between them. These later series lack the vision and the positive outlook which was always Gene Roddenberry's ambition TNG had (and TOS when it wasn't about kicking some alien's backside!). He was a humanist through and through and these values shone through.

I liked the 2009 reboot film. It had its flaws, like plot-holes as big as the alpha-quadrant, but it was fun and worked on several levels, even if the villain was just dull and one-dimensional. "Into Darkness"... didn't work at all. The film completely failed to make me care about it. And Cumberbatchs Khan was completely underused as a character (and to be honest a bit too British for somebody from India anyway :classic: ).

I hope ST Beyond will be better. I'd like to see an innovative plot and some character development. But maybe I'm expecting too much :laugh:

As for the new series: I hope they use the format to get away from blunt action to some more depth and wit, to make it a worthy Star Trek series. TV/stream is now the place where such things can be realized, much more so than in a movie.

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I was an adult when TOS was new, I thought it was the greatest thing to hit TV. Later the original ST move came out I was less than impressed by it. I took me awhile to warm up to TNG, but eventually i thought it was as good as TOS. I liked DS9 and STE, but I think Voyager was my favorite of the entire franchise.

Now to the new movies... I have seen Into Darkness, but it didn't make an impression on me, good or bad. The other day I realized I had not seen the 2009 movie. I watched it a couple of days ago and I really liked it. I particularly liked the character development.

What I don't like is all the long destruction scenes, I know the new generation of movie goers like this, but to me, a movie is about people, not special effects. Sometimes it seems to me that some movies use special effects as the primary focus of the movie and characters are secondary (this is why I don't like the new superhero movies).

Overall the new Star Trek movies are very good, I just hope they don't get to where the special effects are the stars of the movies instead of the actors.

I am going to go back and watch Into Darkness before I see beyond. I am looking forward to beyond.

Just MHO,

Andy D

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I really enjoyed the 2009 movie despite its plot holes... and research failures such as huge cliffs in Iowa. :tongue: Into Darkness wasn't very good... Cumberbatch was terrific, but the plot is one part stupid and one part carbon copy of Wrath of Khan. And some of the special effects were pretty bad as well, particularly in the opening.

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I have plenty of gripes about the new ST universe, but I can also be reasonable and sit back to enjoy something for what it is so long as it doesn't totally jump the shark. I saw Beyond last night, and it may be the best of the 3 NuTrek movies. I certainly felt it was better than Into Darkness, at least.

Without spoiling anything, I really enjoyed that it did show some of the exploration and discovery aspects of the crew's 5 Year Mission, went back to more of their sci-fi roots with talking (a little) about how that kind of long-duration deep space mission affects the crew psychologically, etc., and still had plenty of eye candy and action for the folks looking for that without it feeling forced. Absolutely not a perfect movie by any means, but it was quite enjoyable, and it felt more like "real" Star Trek to me.

The trailers really didn't do it justice at all!

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I would be very curious to see a Christopher Nolan Star Trek film. Interstellar and Inception were both incredible sci-fi films the former especially.

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I would be very curious to see a Christopher Nolan Star Trek film. Interstellar and Inception were both incredible sci-fi films the former especially.

Would be nice to see him do one; gritty & dark... Mirror universe, Section 31, Federation - Klingon War.

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I could see Nolan doing great things with TNG character Q, in terms of Inception-like.

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Wait a minute... I have a new theory: The ending of Interstellar was actually Mr. Nolan's audition to direct a Trek movie! That whole "5th dimension" thing was Q saving the day in the least comprehensible way possible! :tongue:

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Wait a minute... I have a new theory: The ending of Interstellar was actually Mr. Nolan's audition to direct a Trek movie! That whole "5th dimension" thing was Q saving the day in the least comprehensible way possible! :tongue:

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I am not a fan of Star Trek at all but I liked Beyond since I saw it last night!

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I could see Nolan doing great things with TNG character Q, in terms of Inception-like.

Wait a minute... I have a new theory: The ending of Interstellar was actually Mr. Nolan's audition to direct a Trek movie! That whole "5th dimension" thing was Q saving the day in the least comprehensible way possible! :tongue:

:wub_drool: I now want to see this almost as much as a Nolan Silmarillion!

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Yes. I am hoping after New-Trek is done exploring the TOS era, we will get a New-Trek take on TNG. Inception style Q shenanigans with Borg... I want to see it!

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Would be nice to see him do one; gritty & dark... Mirror universe, Section 31, Federation - Klingon War.

That would be interesting to see his take on it, but they already did the Section 31 + Klingon/Fed war (trying to start one, anyway) in Into Darkness and it wasn't exactly (Inter)stellar. :sceptic:

But maybe something even more ridiculous and over-the-top but actually well-written could work. Like, the Borg have assimilated Species 8472 and are a real threat again, and now all the secret agencies (Section 31, the Tal Shiar, the Obsidian Order, the V'Shar, etc.) jump in to try to combat the threat while also undermining each other where possible. That sounds kinda horrible, but could be the kind of twisty-turny ride Nolan and some really good writers might make watchable. :laugh:

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Just got back from seeing Beyond. I won't spoil anything, but I will say this: the U.S.S. Franklin is begging to be MOCed!

It's a flat ship, no need for them darn fancy building to hold it up!

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So the new show coming in 2017 is called "Star Trek: Discovery." No word on when it's set or who the captain is... except that it's going to "reflect cutting-edge progressive values." That's all the information we have. I'm not excited, especially because, AFAIK, CBS is still keeping it on their own version of Netflix that nobody has.

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Well the show runner also did Hannibal which may be one the highest quality television shows in regards to production so I have high hopes. Hes written for Star Trek before and the fact the show is called Discovery gives me hope.

Still im not digging that ship design, its okay. I like that theyre trying to do something different but it looks so drastically different to any other starfleet vessel.

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So the new show coming in 2017 is called "Star Trek: Discovery." No word on when it's set or who the captain is... except that it's going to "reflect cutting-edge progressive values." That's all the information we have. I'm not excited, especially because, AFAIK, CBS is still keeping it on their own version of Netflix that nobody has.

Comic-con Trailer Footage;

Star Trek: Discovery is coming to CBS All Access in January 2017, following the premiere on the CBS Television Network, and will be distributed concurrently on Netflix in 188 countries and through Bell Media in Canada. - See more at: http://www.startrek....h.4a2IPDtg.dpuf

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The USS Discovery looks like it is based on an unused Ralph McQuarrie (of Star Wars design fame) design for the refit Enterprise. Good tribute to him, but it doesn't change the fact it's a strange design...

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Judging from the ship, the new series could be set between the TOS era and the movies. There was a series planned back in the 70s, where exactly that ship design was used for. The name of the series was "star trek: phase II", but eventually, after the success of star wars, they decided to make a movie instead.

That wouldn't be the worst time-frame for a new series. Classical villains like the klingons and romu!ans have been already established, but the galaxy was still more wildwest than in the TNG era and later which leaves a lot space for original stories, exploration and new civilizations to interact with

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Just saw Beyond and would rate it much better than Into Darkness. I felt that Beyond really captured the essence of Star Trek, something that ironically the trailers utterly failed at doing.

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