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[Hinckley]

ADHO15, on 18 January 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

Fair enough. I guess your reasonings make sense and you have been quite active in helping us. I am still not completely convinced you are innocent, however.

If Papa Smurf cannot produce an alibi for his actions last night, he could be a possible lead today, if you have reason to suspect him.

Hopefully we also got a result on whether or not Miss Taylor's claim is true or not. Captain?

Papa Smurf hasn't given me any reason to believe him. You are now on my suspect list now too with your weird allegation.

Sorry if I'm barking. I'm frustrated. I thought I had the perfect plan worked up for last night.

Sorry.

I have a believable update from Papa Bitch Smurf. Sorry, I'll try to be nice.

Papa Smurf (I'm at work so there's no time for a play The ghost of Patrick will be very happy about that. ) lied to me about who he protected. Apparently, he didn't fully trust me. He was also suspicious of def because def lied about the investigator's results. He protected someone else, because apparently not everyone's private world revolves around me in this hole in the desert and there are other people he trusts who had a good protection target. Apparently, just because I know I'm Innocent doesn't mean everyone else has to believe it and I certainly shouldn't flip out when I find out it's true.

However, I'm a little suspicious of Papa still. We'll have to see. He could be a lying Scum, but what he said makes sense. I have verifiable results from the weird mirror cloak thing. Inspector Gadget and Papa both verified something we haven't revealed in thread, so I believe him that far. I wish he would've believed me and protected Patrick, and believe me, he says he does too. If I get any other indication that Papa is lying, I'll feed him to you guys myself.

But that is, apparently, the story.

[JimButcher]

Tamamono, on 18 January 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

I think you're ignoring the fact that Jennifer could still be a cultist too. If you three (Melaena, Nadir, and Jennifer) are all cultists, then you could have tried to distance yourself from your teammate by voting for her. Little did you know that you were helping Fitzdef push Melaena's bandwagon all the way down the hill. Although your defense of Freud would be pretty stupid considering that you were the second on Melaena's bandwagon. I don't know what to think about you. You've been acting pretty scummy so far this game, but you could still be town.

Yes, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Let's play this out. It's Day 2. I'm scum, and so are Jennifer and Melaena. Jennifer is on her way out, so what do I do? Oh I know, let me bring up a glaring slip-up of Melaena's from Day 1 to try to shift the votes to her instead. Because I definitely want to keep Jennifer around after the attention she's gotten herself.

Think about it for a while.

Tamamono, on 18 January 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

Did any of the campies who can help at night find anything out about Nadir or Jennifer? I think those two are the main suspects for today (unless Mehmet has someone else he's suspicious of).

I wouldn't say that. Honestly, can no one else see what's going on here? Do I really look so suspicious? Besides, I don't think it's correct of you to assume I am one of the main suspects for today.

Oh, I did say I was open to investigations last night (the offer still stands from here to forever). So, do tell me, O wise investigator, what was the result? Am I a Cultist?

Hinckley, on 18 January 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

I shit you not. Voting second is a very convenient place to vote for a fellow scumbag when all the votes are on Jennifer. Makes it look like you made the right choice the next day. It's also a very safe place to defend the anonymous "Freud" from. And not just defend, but find a convoluted pile of camelshit perfectly reasonable. Then you went on to defend, linking us to a page on mafiawiki that didn't even back up your claim. Desperate defense? If you are Scum, you would know Freud was Malaena. Those were all incredibly safe Actions for Scum.

A desperate defense? You've got to be joking. Come on, Mehmet, where's the punch line? I don't know how this cannot be blatantly obvious but if I were scum, would I even bring such I thing up? Like I said yesterday (you're obviously ignoring everything I say), I had that entry memorized from years ago since I used it in my own game I read it in a book once.

And all of this is hypothetical, since I would never have tried to switch the vote in the first place. Really, sacrificing a less suspicious Cultist (Melaena) to try to save myself and/or Jennifer by throwing myself into the wind? I'm not foolish, and I'm certainly not a Cultist.

Can any upstanding innocent see that the whole theory involving me and/or Jennifer is completely far fetched?

Honestly, Mehmet, I thought I could begin to trust you after yesterday. But this just completely throws that off. Perhaps it's a good thing, because I will never know your true alliance and my distance from you could save me from any trickery.

What's worse is the person(s) following you. You managed to lynch us an innocent on Day 1, so you're trustworthy right? Anyway I'm noting how Sheila is so blindly following you. Much like Meleana followed Patrick on Day 1. Eyes peeled, ears open.

Hinckley, on 18 January 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

This is one of my favorite posts in a hole in the desert ever. I love it. You expected them to kill Patrick? Wouldn't you expect him to be protected, rather? Did you expect it because you know the protector was blocked or lying to me behind the scenes and that you and your Cultist buddies targeted Patrick. Let's just wait for me and move down the list of suspects... to you.

I'm glad you enjoyed it.   Yes, I did expect Patrick to be killed eventually. As we now know he was pure and innocent, and the Cultists of course knew that. It was apparent to all that he was a leader and was a huge threat to the Cultists, so I'm not surprised.

Nope, don't know anything about protections or blocking, sorry.

Also, Sheila, how am I acting scummy, in your opinion? For the same reasons as Mehmet?

[Sandy]

I don't believe in that theory either, Nadir, but that's not saying much because I'm involved in it...

Anyway, we wasted enough time with Mehmet and Patrick fighting, let's not repeat it with Mehmet and Nadir. We should start looking into the more quiet, non-chalant people such as William Fitzpatrick and Johnson Cox, who comment enough to be counted for their presence, but do not actively voice out their opinions.

[Hinckley]

JimButcher, on 18 January 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

Honestly, Mehmet, I thought I could begin to trust you after yesterday.

I don't expect that from anyone. And yes, perhaps we should lynch me today because I personally and single-handedly lynched Tomato on Day One. Of course I'm hypothesizing. I don't know how you actually killed Patrick. I mean, the dirty sanchez went away somehow. I don't know what you're into. But, I'm just suspicious. Does bringing up suspicion make me a suspect? Yes, it is an incredibly safe Scum tactic to place a vote for a fellow Scum when it looks like an innocent is going to be hammered? Is that what you did? I don't know for sure. I just find that suspicious + you defended the imaginary Freud. If you were Scum and knew Malaena was Freud, that's a very safe tactic for a Cultist to play, + you tried to hammer def on Day One, voting right after Malaena. No, I don't know for sure. That's the point of the game.

Any suspicions from you? Or just defense? Because defense from a Townie can contain further suspicion and work on your part too, you know. And don't be sad that I suspect you. I still love you!

JimButcher, on 18 January 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

Nope, don't know anything about protections or blocking, sorry.

It's OK. You must only know about framing and murdering then. See? They're just words. They're not hurting you. I don't actually know that you're the framer. And I should break down my responses to you a little more. I said let's move down the suspect list to the next suspect...to you. Because you suggested going for the next suspect. Which was you. I wasn't suggesting you were in the list of protectors or blockers from last night. So? Who do you suspect, Nadir?

JimButcher, on 18 January 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

Oink oink oink oink oink!

Well, now I'm a little more suspicious.

[CorneliusMurdock]

Sandy, on 18 January 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

Anyway, we wasted enough time with Mehmet and Patrick fighting, let's not repeat it with Mehmet and Nadir. We should start looking into the more quiet, non-chalant people such as William Fitzpatrick and Johnson Cox, who comment enough to be counted for their presence, but do not actively voice out their opinions.

What can I do for you, Taylor?  Any suspicions other than being quiet?  I'd be more than happy to quell any doubt you may have about my Innocent-ness.

[Hinckley]

Sandy, on 18 January 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

Anyway, we wasted enough time with Mehmet and Patrick fighting, let's not repeat it with Mehmet and Nadir. We should start looking into the more quiet, non-chalant people such as William Fitzpatrick and Johnson Cox, who comment enough to be counted for their presence, but do not actively voice out their opinions.

I suspect them less now that you mention them since we're still not sure of you. It was odd to me how many people asked me to find protection for you last night when you weren't even verified and still highly suspicious.

However, let me play along for a bit. William is usually hard to read and typically quiet, so there's really no telling. I agree he's one to watch. Johnson Cox is good at summarizing and then being very calming, logical and re-assuring by PM. She's more likely to talk about the prospect of being in a hole in the desert than she is about anything pertaining to this particular hole in the desert. It's a smart strategy, but having nothing to offer may means she has something to hide. Same goes for William.

Also, there's that one they call Brickdoctor because I can't remember his other name. He is good at summarizing and saying "I'll look over the last day" but never coming back with any findings from all of that "looking over." Plus, he tried to hammer Big Butthole by pointing out his rule breech. Plus, he's been rather twitchy and defensive in private. I'm used to him being a little more...questiony and posty. But that would be meat-gaming. Meat-gaming? Please. I'm not that kind of girl. Meta-gaming. Either way, here lie my suspicions.

CorneliusMurdock (William Fitpatrick)
Cecilie (Johnson Cox)
Brickdoctor (Brody Dickwillicker... )
JimB (Nadir Zenith)

and probably

ADHO (Camelface ... )
Sandy (Jennifer Taylor)
Tamamono (...um Tammy Tomato-face )

Dumbass Cultists

And maybe even Hans Gubernaculum (Bob_) or whatever. How did I remember his name and not the others? I'll go back and try to get their names.

[JimButcher]

Hinckley, on 18 January 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

I don't expect that from anyone. And yes, perhaps we should lynch me today because I personally and single-handedly lynched Tomato on Day One. Of course I'm hypothesizing. I don't know how you actually killed Patrick. I mean, the dirty sanchez went away somehow. I don't know what you're into. But, I'm just suspicious. Does bringing up suspicion make me a suspect? Yes, it is an incredibly safe Scum tactic to place a vote for a fellow Scum when it looks like an innocent is going to be hammered? Is that what you did? I don't know for sure. I just find that suspicious + you defended the imaginary Freud. If you were Scum and knew Malaena was Freud, that's a very safe tactic for a Cultist to play, + you tried to hammer def on Day One, voting right after Malaena. No, I don't know for sure. That's the point of the game.

No, I'm not saying that makes you a suspect. I probably should have stated that a little more clearly, but what I meant was that you lynching an innocent and then me lynching a Cultists (despite the theories of yours, let's ignore that for this demonstration)... these two facts combined don't make you trustworthy over me. Which is why I find it strange people like Sheila are following you, not because you suspect me.

A safe move for a Cultist? I have to disagree. It put me in the spotlight and was (I say was because like I said Patrick's vote went overlooked for a long time, and I brought new evidence to the table. Of course I know Patrick played a big part in it and I probably wouldn't have brought it up had he not placed his vote) the cause for Melaena's lynch. I can tell you that if I were scum I would've just laid back and cut my losses, be that Melaena or in a better case scenario let Jennifer die in the first place.

But I'm repeating myself, I'm sure you get it by now (even if you don't believe me).

Hinckley, on 18 January 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

So? Who do you suspect, Nadir?

So glad you asked. I suspect many people, as I'm sure we all do in this dire situation. Like I've mentioned already, Sheila looks suspicious for automatically assuming I'm on the chopping block for today (I imagine her saying something like "Oh, yup yup, Mehmet's right, let's lynch Nadir!"), and for following you like a... sheep. As I already mentioned the behavior is very similar to Melaena's from Day 1.

But besides that, I've been suspicious of William FitzPatrick (Cornelius Murdock). He's been pretty passive this entire time, and yesterday he was quick to vote for Jennifer and hesitant to vote for Melaena. That's not to say that Jennifer is cleared, by any means. But William was definitely around during the time that the Melaena case started to pick up, and I think he even said something like "grumble grumble I'll have to think about this before switching votes".

So he'll probably be where my vote is going today if we don't have anything better to go on or if there any convincing objections.

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Well, now I'm a little more suspicious.

[CorneliusMurdock]

I don't have much time currently to rebut your suspicions, Nadir.  I'll make this brief.  I still didn't believe Taylor was in the clear after her claim so I didn't change my vote at that time.  It wasn't until the whole"psychiatrist with a snake" thing was revealed to be Malena that I decided a vote on her was more prudent than one on Taylor.

[Hinckley]

JimButcher, on 18 January 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

No, I'm not saying that makes you a suspect. I probably should have stated that a little more clearly, but what I meant was that you lynching an innocent and then me lynching a Cultists (despite the theories of yours, let's ignore that for this demonstration)...

I lynched an innocent and you lynched a cultist? Really? Is that how you see it? Sorry. I had forgotten it happened that way. Nadir was 100% responsible for finding our first Cultist, everybody. Hooray! Let's do everything he says now and believe that he is the Towniest of Town! In case you can't tell: That's three sarcasms. That's a lot...but I did it for you.

JimButcher, on 18 January 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

these two facts combined don't make you trustworthy over me. Which is why I find it strange people like Sheila are following you, not because you suspect me.

Who is Sheila? Are you talking about Tammy Tomato-Face?

JimButcher, on 18 January 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

A safe move for a Cultist? I have to disagree. It put me in the spotlight and was (I say was because like I said Patrick's vote went overlooked for a long time, and I brought new evidence to the table. Of course I know Patrick played a big part in it and I probably wouldn't have brought it up had he not placed his vote) the cause for Melaena's lynch. I can tell you that if I were scum I would've just laid back and cut my losses, be that Melaena or in a better case scenario let Jennifer die in the first place.

Second to vote is a huge spotlight! So is defending an anonymous character in a play. Thanks for clarifying all of that for me. I feel so silly to have suspected you in the first place.

JimButcher, on 18 January 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

But besides that, I've been suspicious of William FitzPatrick (Cornelius Murdock). He's been pretty passive this entire time, and yesterday he was quick to vote for Jennifer and hesitant to vote for Melaena. That's not to say that Jennifer is cleared, by any means. But William was definitely around during the time that the Melaena case started to pick up, and I think he even said something like "grumble grumble I'll have to think about this before switching votes".

William grumbled about switching his vote? Weird he didn't want to vote for Malaena right away. Probably because it was still an alias at the time. But, that's incidental to someone who already knows the true identity of the alias. That would be you. Perhaps William didn't switch his vote because he thought Freud may have been a different person than Malaena Stools. But how could he switch his vote to her before he knew it was her? Did you think it took him a while because you already knew Freud's true identity?

Hinckley, on 16 January 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

Thank you.

Since it seems things are going that way, for everyone to make as strong a decision as possible. Freud is

Spoiler

Malaena Stools.

Denying it when directly asked sure was helpful.

CorneliusMurdock, on 16 January 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

See, Taylor, the day wasn't over.

Unvote: Jennifer Taylor (Sandy)

Vote: Melaena Stools (CallMePieOrDie)

Yes, let's see. I reveal Freud is Malaena after Midnight on the West Coast, William is in the Central ... hole ... time zone. His first post of the day is his vote and you've called that grumble grumble.

Hmmm...making stuff up, huh? I do apologize but I don't believe you. I think I'll vote for you today.

Now, are you continuously knocking William and Sheila (whoever that is) because you want to throw us off with your suspicions once you turn up Scum? Are they both Scum? Is this a reverse psychology thing? Is one of them Scum? Or is it reverse revers psychology and neither is Scum? Is it the whine in front of me. I know it's wine. But I thought it'd be funny to pretend Nadir is whining. " I don't want to shovel the camel poop!" Well, I'm tired of the shit you're shoveling too.

But I do love you!

[fhomess]

Hmm... losing Mr. Fitzwilliam is not good, but at least we nabbed our first cultist.  IMHOTEP didn't seem too happy about that, I must say.

Mehmet had 13 people on his list yesterday who had been in communication with him.  We lost a virgin, but we should have a fair amount more actual evidence to go on today.  I would expect those people to be in touch again today so that we can put things together as the day goes along.  Many of them had claimed a role of some sort so there should be a fair amount of new information to digest along with this fascinating conversation about Nadir.

[JimButcher]

Hinckley, on 18 January 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

I lynched an innocent and you lynched a cultist? Really? Is that how you see it? Sorry. I had forgotten it happened that way. Nadir was 100% responsible for finding our first Cultist, everybody. Hooray! Let's do everything he says now and believe that he is the Towniest of Town! In case you can't tell: That's three sarcasms. That's a lot...but I did it for you.

Thanks! If you really must... well okay, fine. I accept the credit. You're right, I pretty much was responsible for the lynch. You don't have to go on saying that, though, I'm a pretty modest guy.  

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Who is Sheila? Are you talking about Tammy Tomato-Face?

Yes. There's this thing called a character roster... I think it's posted around here somewhere... help me find it? I already checked the first post, it's not there.  

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Second to vote is a huge spotlight! So is defending an anonymous character in a play. Thanks for clarifying all of that for me. I feel so silly to have suspected you in the first place.

Excellent! I'm glad that's over with. Now we can focus on the real problem.  

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William grumbled about switching his vote? Weird he didn't want to vote for Malaena right away. Probably because it was still an alias at the time. But, that's incidental to someone who already knows the true identity of the alias. That would be you. Perhaps William didn't switch his vote because he thought Freud may have been a different person than Malaena Stools. But how could he switch his vote to her before he knew it was her? Did you think it took him a while because you already knew Freud's true identity?

No, he didn't switch his vote before the snake Freud thing came up. Not that it was necessarily completely obvious that Melaena was scum and Jennifer wasn't (that last part still isn't), but still. You see the evidence stacking up against someone like that, and people like Patrick vote for her... of course I expect everyone to have their own opinions and not be bandwagon jumpers but I think the evidence against Melaena was far more substantial than that on Jennifer at the time. If Jennifer is in fact a virgin, then the only reason she hasn't been killed yet is because we still suspect her. Good for scum, bad for us.

Anyway, it just seems to me that William "cut his losses" by last minute voting for his teammate. That and he was pretty dead set on lynching Jennifer (her innocence revealed could also be a factor against him), and he's been lurking this entire time.

Disclaimer: Statements above concerning people's alliances assumes that William is a Cultist and Jennifer is innocent, for the purpose of defining this argument. Of course I have no idea who's for sure innocent and who's not, these are just my suspicions.

[Tamamono]

Hinckley, on 18 January 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

Who else can we look at? As pointed out to me in private, how about the person who garnered Big Butthole 5 penalty votes near the end of Day 1, by pointing out his mistake? That was rather close to lynching him considering how fast the votes were changing. I know that when I hear someone is worth saving for the Town, I try to make sure they get their penalty votes.

That's a good point, Mehmet. Mustafa's 'observation' could have gotten Big Butthole lynched, and that was a pretty anti-townie move. He's also been flying beneath the radar pretty inconspicuously so far, which is a good place for the scum to be at this point.

JimButcher, on 18 January 2012 - 10:11 PM, said:

Yes, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Let's play this out. It's Day 2. I'm scum, and so are Jennifer and Melaena. Jennifer is on her way out, so what do I do? Oh I know, let me bring up a glaring slip-up of Melaena's from Day 1 to try to shift the votes to her instead. Because I definitely want to keep Jennifer around after the attention she's gotten herself.

Think about it for a while.

I suppose you have a point. Still, there was no guarantee that Melaena would get lynched. In fact, at that point, it was looking like Jen was to be the sacrifice for the Day.

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What's worse is the person(s) following you. You managed to lynch us an innocent on Day 1, so you're trustworthy right? Anyway I'm noting how Sheila is so blindly following you. Much like Meleana followed Patrick on Day 1. Eyes peeled, ears open.

I'm not 'following him blindly'. It's just that I, too, agree that you are likely to be scum.

JimButcher, on 18 January 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

Also, Sheila, how am I acting scummy, in your opinion? For the same reasons as Mehmet?

I don't find your defense of Freud quite as convincing as Mehmet does, because frankly, Melaena probably would have told you and the rest of her scummy friends about what she was planning to claim (unless she was a complete idiot after all), and I kind of doubt that you would defend Freud if you knew it was the very person you had voted for earlier.

Let's just make a list of the reasons why I think you're scum, shall we?

1. You were more than happy to follow Ophelia and Jennifer in voting for LePlot. If you're scum and he's not, then you would know he's not scum and you'd be more than happy to get him lynched.
2. You jumped on the Fitzdef bandwagon simply because you didn't want to split the vote. What kind of a reason for voting is that? Especially with the rules we have in this game.
3. You've been exactly where the scum want to be (well, you were before you were accused). You've been helpful, but not too helpful, and quiet, but not quiet enough to be a lurker. In fact I'm even more suspicious of you than of Jennifer, because you didn't pull any weird moves at the beginning of the game. Everything you said on that day was actually pretty inconspicuous.

Another reason why I'm suspicious of you is because you're going off about how I'm 'following Mehmet blindly'. I remember a bunch of scummy agents in a Batman comic I once read who all accused everyone of blindly following a particularly Creepy character as their main defense to being lynched. I'm seeing a bit of a similarity here...

I suppose a bit of it is gut, but I'm ignoring that as best as I can.

Hinckley, on 18 January 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

Tamamono (...um Tammy Tomato-face )

Could you please explain to me how I'm suspicious? And my name is Sheila, for your information.

[JimButcher]

Fine, Mehmet, go ahead and vote for me. I'll gladly take one for the team even if it just means it will clear any doubt surrounding me, but I really have nothing else of value to share besides my suspicions. You'll be wasting the innocents' time by lynching me and painting a target on your back (for being dead wrong).

What I've shared are my suspicions and my suspicions only. You asked me to share them so I have. I'm not trying to wave away these accusations towards me. In fact I think I've been rather upfront about them. By all means, question away if you're still in doubt.

Oh, and besides the fact that you asked me who I suspected, William was also at the top of your list.   You were talking while I was talking, so I missed it until now, but why are you defending William now?  

[Bob]

Hinckley, on 18 January 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

Either way, here lie my suspicions.

CorneliusMurdock (William Fitpatrick)
Cecilie (Johnson Cox)
Brickdoctor (Brody Dickwillicker... )
JimB (Nadir Zenith)
ADHO (Camelface ... )
Sandy (Jennifer Taylor)
Tamamono (...um Tammy Tomato-face )

megablock Cultists

And maybe even Hans Gubernaculum (Bob_) or whatever. How did I remember his name and not the others? I'll go back and try to get their names.

If you suspect that many people are cultists, I'm afraid we have a huge problem. Anyway, I'm afraid that all I learned last night is that Mehmet likes to poke me. Out of that list, I'd probably draw out:
1) William Fitzpatrick (CorneliusMurdock)
2) Mellifluous Murgatroyd (scubacarrot)
3) Toulouse Leplot (WhiteFang)
4) Gordon Bennett (KielDaMan)

Why do I think this? Based on my observations, these people are only around to defend themselves or to offer small incite into the situation. I might be wrong, I don't know, but these people are on my radar screen.

[Scubacarrot]

Bob_, on 18 January 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

If you suspect that many people are cultists, I'm afraid we have a huge problem. Anyway, I'm afraid that all I learned last night is that Mehmet likes to poke me. Out of that list, I'd probably draw out:
1) William Fitzpatrick (CorneliusMurdock)
2) Mellifluous Murgatroyd (scubacarrot)
3) Toulouse Leplot (WhiteFang)
4) Gordon Bennett (KielDaMan)

Why do I think this? Based on my observations, these people are only around to defend themselves or to offer small incite into the situation. I might be wrong, I don't know, but these people are on my radar screen.

Yes you are wrong, now go read back yesterday.

[JimButcher]

Tamamono, on 18 January 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

I suppose you have a point. Still, there was no guarantee that Melaena would get lynched. In fact, at that point, it was looking like Jen was to be the sacrifice for the Day.

Point? Which point? I think we're getting confused here. Allow me to make this clear one last time, for everyone (not just you). Here's a timeline:

- Jennifer seems doomed. If I were a Cultist and she wasn't, I would most certainly let her die. Even if she was, I would probably let her die.
- Patrick votes for scummypants Melaena on a hunch. Based on her quietness. Vote is ignored for four pages of discussion.
- I come in, bringing Melaena up again, with evidence (even Patrick admits that I was helpful - I'm so honored ), when I could have easily let Patrick's vote get overlooked if I wanted to defend my "fellow Cultist" Melaena.
- Everyone votes for Melaena after that (except for William and a few others)
- Then Mehmet brings up the snake story, at which point I have the benefit of the doubt that it's not Melaena. After all the votes are stacked up. I would not try to overthrow this lynchwagon after I "started" it (well, second, as Mehmet would insist). New evidence that crushed her, remember?

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I don't find your defense of Freud quite as convincing as Mehmet does, because frankly, Melaena probably would have told you and the rest of her scummy friends about what she was planning to claim (unless she was a complete idiot after all), and I kind of doubt that you would defend Freud if you knew it was the very person you had voted for earlier.

Thank you. Making sense is fun, isn't it, Mehmet?

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1. You were more than happy to follow Ophelia and Jennifer in voting for LePlot. If you're scum and he's not, then you would know he's not scum and you'd be more than happy to get him lynched.

Indeed, and I am still suspicious of Leplot for his inactivity and passiveness. Just like Mustafa, all he does is pop in once or twice a day to say "yeah I'll look through my notes", and then doesn't bring anything of value up. Also, if you recall correctly, I was not voting for the same reasons as Ophelia and Jennifer. They were voting "randomly", and I was voting for the same reasons I suspect him now.

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2. You jumped on the Fitzdef bandwagon simply because you didn't want to split the vote. What kind of a reason for voting is that? Especially with the rules we have in this game.

No, I suspected Patrick quite a bit back on Day 1. I didn't "follow" anyone. I didn't know who to trust and he seemed suspicious.

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3. You've been exactly where the scum want to be (well, you were before you were accused). You've been helpful, but not too helpful, and quiet, but not quiet enough to be a lurker. In fact I'm even more suspicious of you than of Jennifer, because you didn't pull any weird moves at the beginning of the game. Everything you said on that day was actually pretty inconspicuous.

Actually I've been called out for "not participating" by Mehmet. Anyways, that spot that you say the scum want to be in? It's also the spot that is most likely for a clueless innocent to be. That's why they want to be in that spot.

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Another reason why I'm suspicious of you is because you're going off about how I'm 'following Mehmet blindly'. I remember a bunch of scummy agents in a Batman comic I once read who all accused everyone of blindly following a particularly Creepy character as their main defense to being lynched. I'm seeing a bit of a similarity here...

Yes, I did realize that, but circumstances are a bit different here, don't you think? Unlike... what was the character's name, Creeps?, Mehmet did not lynch six baddies in a row, in fact all he's managed to do is lynch poor Father Tomato, an innocent. What is so trustworthy about him?

[Hinckley]

Tamamono, on 18 January 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

Could you please explain to me how I'm suspicious? And my name is Sheila, for your information.

Listen Tammy Tomato-Face. Your agreeing so much and following all my posts is a great place to hide. I'm trying to place the people I don't know about and our private conversations haven't been convincing. If you're Scum and you want to appear not Scummy, tailing a trusted player is a safe place to go.

JimButcher, on 18 January 2012 - 11:34 PM, said:

Fine, Mehmet, go ahead and vote for me.

I might do that. I might not. I don't know. This game is a tough one. I still say defending Freud is safe because if you knew it was Malaena, it was a chance to defend her without actually defending her while your vote was placed on someone else. I would expect the Scum, even those who knew she was claiming, to at least attempt to make the story sound plausible. It could lead others to believe the story. You really wanted us to get that extra protector!

I'll go check your damning evidence against Malaena. I don't remember your courageous seconding of the vote against her.

[Tamamono]

JimButcher, on 18 January 2012 - 11:55 PM, said:

Indeed, and I am still suspicious of Leplot for his inactivity and passiveness. Just like Mustafa, all he does is pop in once or twice a day to say "yeah I'll look through my notes", and then doesn't bring anything of value up. Also, if you recall correctly, I was not voting for the same reasons as Ophelia and Jennifer. They were voting "randomly", and I was voting for the same reasons I suspect him now.

That's true, and we did lynch someone off of quietness that day, so I can't argue with that. Still, it definitely looks like you were just jumping on the bandwagon at that point.

Hinckley, on 19 January 2012 - 12:12 AM, said:

Listen Tammy Tomato-Face. Your agreeing so much and following all my posts is a great place to hide. I'm trying to place the people I don't know about and our private conversations haven't been convincing. If you're Scum and you want to appear not Scummy, tailing a trusted player is a safe place to go.

I know that. Contrary to popular belief, I am not as stupid as I seem. I fully understand that agreeing with the town leaders and walking in their shadows is a great place to hide, and therefore a great place to look for scum. If I were scum, then I would be a little more ambiguous with my posting instead of making it clear that I trust you.

And damn it, my name is not Tammy Tomato-Face!

[Hinckley]

Tamamono, on 19 January 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

And damn it, my name is not Tammy Tomato-Face!

Settle down, Tammy. Nobody said you were stupid.

[CorneliusMurdock]

JimButcher, on 18 January 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:

No, he didn't switch his vote before the snake Freud thing came up. Not that it was necessarily completely obvious that Melaena was scum and Jennifer wasn't (that last part still isn't), but still. You see the evidence stacking up against someone like that, and people like Patrick vote for her... of course I expect everyone to have their own opinions and not be bandwagon jumpers but I think the evidence against Melaena was far more substantial than that on Jennifer at the time. If Jennifer is in fact a virgin, then the only reason she hasn't been killed yet is because we still suspect her. Good for scum, bad for us.

Anyway, it just seems to me that William "cut his losses" by last minute voting for his teammate. That and he was pretty dead set on lynching Jennifer (her innocence revealed could also be a factor against him), and he's been lurking this entire time.

Disclaimer: Statements above concerning people's alliances assumes that William is a Cultist and Jennifer is innocent, for the purpose of defining this argument. Of course I have no idea who's for sure innocent and who's not, these are just my suspicions.

So I'm scum because I didn't blindly follow Patrick on a hunch he had the second he switched his vote?  I still thought Taylor was more suspicious.  And then I didn't switch my vote when you voted with Patrick.  I still believed Taylor was more suspicious.  Then, Mehmet came forward with his catching someone in a lie.  We found out who that was and since she was then more suspicious than Taylor, I switched my vote.

"Cut his losses"?  I'd like to think I'm smart enough not to be so obvious.  I'd have "cut my losses" much, much sooner were I scum.  Probably around the time the bandwagon was in full swing.

Oh and Mehmet, I'm in the Eastern part of the hole.    Better terrain for rabbit snares over here.

[Hinckley]

CorneliusMurdock, on 19 January 2012 - 12:40 AM, said:

So I'm scum because I didn't blindly follow Patrick on a hunch he had the second he switched his vote?  I still thought Taylor was more suspicious.  And then I didn't switch my vote when you voted with Patrick.  I still believed Taylor was more suspicious.  Then, Mehmet came forward with his catching someone in a lie.  We found out who that was and since she was then more suspicious than Taylor, I switched my vote.

"Cut his losses"?  I'd like to think I'm smart enough not to be so obvious.  I'd have "cut my losses" much, much sooner were I scum.  Probably around the time the bandwagon was in full swing.

Oh and Mehmet, I'm in the Eastern part of the hole.    Better terrain for rabbit snares over here.

Ohio is on the Eastern time zone of the hole? Oh duh, you think I would know that since I lived in Chicago and knew that Indiana was Eastern.

Weird hole.

JimButcher, on 18 January 2012 - 11:55 PM, said:

Point? Which point?... are a bit different here, don't you think? Unlike... what was the character's name, Creeps?, Mehmet did not lynch six baddies in a row, in fact all he's managed to do is lynch poor Father Tomato, an innocent. What is so trustworthy about him?

Your defense is more than reasonable and your actions seem to have backed up your argument. Sorry to poke you so much. But I'm not done looking into your behavior either.

[Brickdoctor]

Hinckley, on 18 January 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

Also, there's that one they call Brickdoctor because I can't remember his other name. He is good at summarizing and saying "I'll look over the last day" but never coming back with any findings from all of that "looking over." Plus, he tried to hammer Big Butthole by pointing out his rule breech. Plus, he's been rather twitchy and defensive in private. I'm used to him being a little more...questiony and posty. But that would be meat-gaming. Meat-gaming? Please. I'm not that kind of girl. Meta-gaming. Either way, here lie my suspicions.

"tried to hammer Big Butthole"? I merely expressed my opinion of it. Do you really think our hosts wouldn't have noticed it? I was expressing my annoyance that the penalty votes could completely change the lynch. In a book I read called Bloodbrick, Part II, a character a lot like me was getting a lot of penalty votes, and a character a lot like you told be to stop before I got myself lynched instead of the main suspect. (although the character a lot like you was Scum in that book)

I was under the impression that I had explained my private statements in the same private conversation with you.

[Bob]

Scubacarrot, on 18 January 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

Yes you are wrong, now go read back yesterday.

You sure have convinced me with that counter-argument. I totally don't think you're a cultist now.  

Yesterday you were active when you were defending yourself. Like I said.

[Hinckley]

Brickdoctor, on 19 January 2012 - 01:00 AM, said:

"tried to hammer Big Butthole"?

Dirty.

[Scubacarrot]

Bob_, on 19 January 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

You sure have convinced me with that counter-argument. I totally don't think you're a cultist now.

Yesterday you were active when you were defending yourself. Like I said.

You obviously havent read the whole thing.

I would like to add to that, how is one of the least active (in my eyes) people calling people out for being inactive, am I missing something?