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#101 Admiral Croissant

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 10:32 AM

Wonderfoul and fantastic! The rigging is perfect, just like on wooden model ships.
It's great that you can remove the entire top deck, and I like the captain's cabin, with the croissant :pir-classic:
One small point of critic though, I think the upper yards are a bit too thick..
That just a small point, the rest of this is amazing. I think this is the best frigate on prefabs so far :thumbup:
Btw, there's a bit of influence on both sides since I used your stern-lamp design on the Vesta :pir-sweet:

EDIT: There was already something scheduled for the frontpage of tomorrow, and I didn't want to look to far into the future, but I'll blog this now :pir-classic:
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:31 PM

The rigging, all the fine detail, the interior,... she is simply stunning!  :thumbup:
The only nitpick from me would be the black slope between the galleries and the stern, it looks a bit plain and cut off compared to the rest. I would like a more elaborate solution there, maybe with some small ornaments to combine with the whole better.
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:56 PM

Amazing  :pir-wub:

This is one of the best (or the best) frigates I've seen. And you even managed to give it an interior :pir-oh:

I agree with the nitpick remark of Captain Green Blue Hair, but for the rest it's perfect!

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 05:00 PM

Amazing, Simply amazing  :pir-wub:
I love the custom canons!
also great use of the knights helmet accesories from the dragon masters sets for decoration on the back of the ship  :thumbup:
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 06:37 PM

Wow :wub: Great job.  :thumbup:

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 09:21 PM

Excellent  :jollyroger:

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 08:18 AM

Excellent, a great ship. Very good job!
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Posted 10 July 2010 - 09:00 AM

I had to laugh when I saw the croissant.  :pir-grin:  Nice ship! :thumbup:

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 01:03 PM

I like that you've kept the look relatively sober, but at the same time spent so much time on the finishing. However, what sets this frigate really apart from most of the others I have seen, is the beautiful interior. And you even managed to build a storage area below the second deck. Excellent work Perfectionist.

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 01:41 PM

Wow, Perfrectionist... that's all I can say. I absolutely :pir-wub: this frigate!! She's so beautiful, and I can't stop staring at her!! I love that interior! it's really nice to see where you started with the ship, and where you ended up. You need to make another :pir-sweet:

oh, if I may, how much did it cost to make one? 4800 pieces is a lot of pieces.  :pir-laugh:

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 07:21 PM

That is a very pretty ship. I really like the work you have done on the interior and all the extra detailing.
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Posted 10 July 2010 - 07:43 PM

An amazing ship indeed, incredible details. The Captain's Cabin is my favourite part.
Great that this is being blogged already, thanks for sharing Perfectionist :thumbup: !

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 07:52 PM

What a beautiful ship. I love the way that you can ge into the interior. The rigging must have taken forever. I am very impressedPosted Image .

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 10:56 PM

Tremendous looking ship. The riggings and the deck details really make it a stand out model and I love the figurehead. Great looking all around! :pir-sweet: I'm a fan!

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Posted 12 July 2010 - 07:35 PM

woah  :pir-oh3: that is awesome dude keep up the good work man! :pirate:

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Posted 13 July 2010 - 01:30 PM

Fantastic ship, perfectionist! I really noticed how much the length adds to this ship. Also, the new stern and captain's cabin are a HUGE improvement over the previous one. Could you tell me how you modified it?

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Posted 13 July 2010 - 02:17 PM

Love it!

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 11:38 AM

Thanks for all the kind replies. Again, I'm sorry for the faded colour on those photos. This is how the colourscheme really looks:
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Now let me give some answers:

View PostSwab, on 09 July 2010 - 02:16 AM, said:

Looks great! The addition of the 6th center section greatly improved her lines IMO. What sort of glue did you use for the ratlines? On my ships I tied each line individually, and needless to say it takes a LONG time. Will the sister ship also be stretched to 6 mid sections?
I used "Repair Extreme" glue from Pattex. I think the brand doesn't really matter, but what is important is that it remains flexible and is hardly visible.
The ratlines alone took me about a week, but of course I didn't spend more than 3-4 hours per day on them.
One of the reasons I stretched Achille to 6 mids is to make her look different from Guerriere which still has only 5 mids. I agree that the additional lenght makes the ship look better from some perspectives, however I feel the lenght/width ratio to be more realistic with 5 mids.

View PostCaptain Becker, on 09 July 2010 - 07:33 AM, said:

She is fabolous indeed, cant wait to se her finished, We have to be careful when we are taking over those ships at we dont damage them badly. Keep it up
I'm not quite sure what you wanted to say, but I'm pleased you like her.

View PostAdmiral Croissant, on 09 July 2010 - 10:32 AM, said:

It's great that you can remove the entire top deck, and I like the captain's cabin, with the croissant :pir-classic:
One small point of critic though, I think the upper yards are a bit too thick..
That just a small point, the rest of this is amazing. I think this is the best frigate on prefabs so far :thumbup:
Btw, there's a bit of influence on both sides since I used your stern-lamp design on the Vesta :pir-sweet:
Indeed I had to smile a bit when placing the croissant. Although it was initially meant to make the ship look more French, it does make me think of your avatar.
You are correct about the yards, but I don't think a lone 3mm tube or bars would be stable enough for the upper ones. So I guess we will have to live with that.
Of course I like to hear you used my lantern design... will there be a update on your fabulous vessel any time soon? I would really like to know how she looks, esspecially the stern.  :pir-wink:

View PostCaptain Blue Hair, on 09 July 2010 - 04:31 PM, said:

The rigging, all the fine detail, the interior,... she is simply stunning!  :thumbup:
The only nitpick from me would be the black slope between the galleries and the stern, it looks a bit plain and cut off compared to the rest. I would like a more elaborate solution there, maybe with some small ornaments to combine with the whole better.
I'm glad you like her, but... "a more elaborate solution with soem ornaments"? :pir_wacko:  On a 2x3slope piece? I'm sorry, but that sounds completely impossible to me without customization, even though I can understand your point of critic.

View PostKingoftheZempk, on 10 July 2010 - 01:41 PM, said:

it's really nice to see where you started with the ship, and where you ended up. You need to make another :pir-sweet:
oh, if I may, how much did it cost to make one? 4800 pieces is a lot of pieces.  :pir-laugh:
I don't really want to know the exact cost, but I'm sure it is roughly 15 cents per piece taking into account the order stats on BL and all the pieces left over. :pir-hmpf:

View PostCaptain Bricks, on 13 July 2010 - 01:30 PM, said:

Fantastic ship, perfectionist! I really noticed how much the length adds to this ship. Also, the new stern and captain's cabin are a HUGE improvement over the previous one. Could you tell me how you modified it?
Essentially, the stern is overhanging the stern prefab by one stud more while the cannon in the captain's cabin has been moved 2 studs in front due to the stretch, which gives 3 additional studs for the interior. Because of the added possibility for stern chsers, the ornaments above the windows had to be redone and squeezed a bit. Still, I think they look even better now.  :pir-sweet:

Thanks again for your praises, I'll post some progress pics of Guerriere as soon as she has some more rigging!

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 12:28 PM

View PostPerfectionist, on 16 July 2010 - 11:38 AM, said:

You are correct about the yards, but I don't think a lone 3mm tube or bars would be stable enough for the upper ones. So I guess we will have to live with that.
You could try to put a small piece of iron wire in a tube. But indeed, I can live with it as it is now :pir-classic:

View PostPerfectionist, on 16 July 2010 - 11:38 AM, said:

Of course I like to hear you used my lantern design... will there be a update on your fabulous vessel any time soon? I would really like to know how she looks, esspecially the stern.  :pir-wink:
I'm working a lot on her lately. Today I will give her the fore-topsail and 1 or 2 jibs.
I'll give an update as soon as it's finished completely which will hopefully be within the next 2-3 weeks (but it could also take 1 or 2 months  :pirate_sad2:  )
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View PostPerfectionist, on 16 July 2010 - 11:38 AM, said:

I don't really want to know the exact cost, but I'm sure it is roughly 15 cents per piece taking into account the order stats on BL and all the pieces left over. :pir-hmpf:

oh, ok. That's a good estimate. Sorry if the question wasn't good though.

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 09:52 PM

Stunning work!  The best LEGO ship I've seen.  It has inspired me to re-work my own.  Congrats!

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 12:00 AM

Dear all,
it has been quite a while, but there is some progress to show:as you can see I finally found the time to get started with the sails. I modeled them with cardboard first so I could get the shape right before I used valuable sailcloth (linen).

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After cutting them out I ironed them...

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...decorated them with a pencil...

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...and started putting them in place by means of sewing.

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The worst part is done:

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All sails have been made; I expect the "Achille" to be finished by the wend of this week. Taking appropriate picture may take some time as well (as you may haved noticed my Nikon P100 tends to turn red into pink under poor lighting :pir-hmpf_bad: )

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About the voting that currently goes on in the pirate forum: I am quite displeased how my ships are presented there (unfinished, bad pictures) and thrown against fully rigged, perfectly photographed and well-known creations like Bonaparte's and CGH's galleon.  :thumbdown:
I wouldn't go so far to say this was done on purpose to make Bonaparte's creation score better, however the expected mediocre result certainly won't do justice to the Achille that we are going to see in a little while.
Since a fair competition of any kind requires some sort of entry qualification (eg.finished!) Achille an Guerrière should not be in the voting!.
Since this most likely is a misunderstanding I really don't want to be too harsh, but you have to understand my point.  :pir-blush:
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Posted 13 January 2011 - 02:56 AM

great ship so far, but I just noticed your rigging. did you hot glue the ratlines on?

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 10:53 AM

View PostPerfectionist, on 13 January 2011 - 12:00 AM, said:

Since a fair competition of any kind requires some sort of entry qualification (eg.finished!) Achille an Guerrière should not be in the voting!.
Agreed. I nominated the ship because I though it was one of the best frigates even though it wasn't finished yet.
But indeed for the voting, when you only see that one picture (and most people don't look further) it doesn't do justice to the ship.
It's not a very big problem though. Because the competition was quite succesvol we will probably do another one in the future.

On to the ship :pir-classic:  The rigging just looks perfect to me.
I may have asked it before, but does it also get studding sails? It does have the yards for it and will look extra impressive (a lot of work though).
My only small complaint is that the flying jib seems too large compared to most frigates (and to the other sails).
But perhaps you have evidence or a reason that supports it your way?
Anyway, that's just a small point, and I think most people won't notice. It certainly doesn't look bad.

I won't blog it right now. You said it will probably be finished soon so then you can expect a well-deserved frontpage article :pir-classic:
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Posted 13 January 2011 - 11:33 AM

View PostAdmiral Croissant, on 13 January 2011 - 10:53 AM, said:

I may have asked it before, but does it also get studding sails? It does have the yards for it and will look extra impressive (a lot of work though).

Initially I planned to give it studding sails, but I'm not yet sure how to attach them to the yards so they could be removed...

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My only small complaint is that the flying jib seems too large compared to most frigates (and to the other sails).
But perhaps you have evidence or a reason that supports it your way?

Agreed, the flying jib is somewhat large. I used evidence from HMS Bellona which has very similar stay sails; however hat is a 74gun ship, not a frigate.

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