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#1 Imperial Shipyards

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Posted 14 October 2009 - 10:24 PM

I announced this thread 2 days ago. Since I did make some significant changes to the design and basically didn't want to mess with the Captain's way of building such a ship in his own thread (an excellent manual :thumbup: ) I post it in here.

Major Updates have happened. Check them out:

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1st UPDATE (STERN)

2nd UPDATE (COMPLETE REDESIGN)

3rd UPDATE (TOPDECK+CAPTAIN'S CABIN)

4th UPDATE (HULL ALMOST COMPLETED!)

5th UPDATE (BOTH SHIPS ALMOST COMPLETED!)

6th UPDATE (REBUILD OF ACHILLE AND SOME STUNNING RIGGING)

Below is the first post of the development process:

I finally got the headrails look the way I want them to  :pir-cry_happy:

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Note the improvements to the old version (which Admiral Croissant commented on):

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I quite like the look of metallic grey guns looking out of their gunports  :cannon:

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The ultra-smooth gunports using 1X1 headlight bricks  :pir-grin: :

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The stern decorations are still a bit preliminary; the headrails even more. Mostly I intended to find out which techniques I would use for this creation, the final design will base on them.
I'll keep this thread updated as the build progresses.
Feedback is welcome!  :pir-classic:

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 08:28 AM

Very nice ship, I love it :pir-sweet: good colourscheme, nice stern. Only the yellow headrail-things on the bow don't look so good, look at some pictures and you see what I mean. But that's just a detail, the rest is really great and I'm eager to see this with sails and crew and stuff. :thumbup:
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Posted 15 October 2009 - 10:13 AM

Looking fantastic Perfectionist! The lines are beautiful. I'm currently working on a ship sort of similar to Captain Green Hair's too, but I have just discovered that I'll be needing 200 jumper plates minimum. I thought I had a heap more than I do. :pir-hmpf_bad:
But you ship is looking brilliant! Are you planning to use custom sails and rigging on this?

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 10:37 AM

View PostCaptain Zuloo, on Oct 15 2009, 12:13 PM, said:

Are you planning to use custom sails and rigging on this?

I am.

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I yet have to decide on the cloth for the sails though  :pir-look:

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 10:40 AM

Very nice! Can't wait to see the whole ship finished!
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Posted 15 October 2009 - 10:56 AM

Nice work. You certainly managed to capture a nice curve in the design. The gun ports are a very good design.

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 07:08 PM

It looks great so far!  :thumbup:

I really like your headrails, though i don't see them as finished yet.
The middle one should curve a bit the other way round, like the top one. Now it looks like it bends downwards.
I'd also try and make them a little higher, i.e. the figurehead usually sticks up a bit higher then the bow.

The gunports are a great idea, though i would make the tile above across the whole hull. So that it looks like a protection beam.

At the stern there is somewhat of a gap between the galleries and actual stern, especially at the top.
I would try and close that up a bit more.

And i have a nitpick ont the red strip at the bow. It gets thicker at the bow and runs straight forward, breaking up the nice curve of the line you have along the ship. I'd definitely make that evenly wide and curve up a bit mor gradually if possible.

Those are just my thoughts, i hope it helps.


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Posted 15 October 2009 - 07:36 PM

View PostCaptain Zuloo, on Oct 15 2009, 12:13 PM, said:

Looking fantastic Perfectionist! The lines are beautiful. I'm currently working on a ship sort of similar to Captain Green Hair's too, but I have just discovered that I'll be needing 200 jumper plates minimum. I thought I had a heap more than I do. :pir-hmpf_bad:
But you ship is looking brilliant! Are you planning to use custom sails and rigging on this?

Hey Zuloo - I think they have those on my local PaB wall.  I am just heading over there to have my weekly looksee.  If they still do I'll send you a cup.  PM me your address.

The ship is looking fantastic by the way!  Did you just build all this since the other day?  Can't wait to see it finished.
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 09:48 AM

Very nice work here! The stern and bow look great, the yellow piping looks really good. Can't wait to see the finished product!
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Posted 16 October 2009 - 12:12 PM

You have a great looking ship here, I really like the color scheme(Red, Black, Gold/Yellow and White is my favorite color combo)
Do you intend to be a Perfectionist while building this? :pir-tongue:

Good Job :thumbup:

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 06:44 PM

You know you should have made this into a scene of the ship getting commissioned, and then submitted it in Pillage the Vilage II!

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 08:31 PM

Your ship looks very nice, and I'm looking forward to the updates you will make and of course to the finished product.
You clearly have a lot of talent and I always try to motivate such people to build since I just like looking at MOC ships!

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 11:58 PM

Looks great already! I think I don't have that much feedback to offer after Captain Green Hair told a lot already.
I really like the coloursheme, the stern could be more detailed. A lantern would add a lot.
And the gundeck with those shiny new cannons looks awesome! Is there an interior in the ship as well?
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Posted 17 October 2009 - 12:55 AM

I like the use of tubes, I would love to use those on my HMS Unicorn, But I had to go with 1 x 2 Plates.

The whole ship is wonderful!

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 01:42 AM

Its always great to see another french frigate sailing through the seas...
Good job so far, the only thing I dont like is the headrails.  I guess I like the brickbuilt ones better.
I'm also maing one from CGH's build great stuff!

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 10:06 AM

Wow this is already a beauty.  :pir-sweet:
As some already stated, nice Color sceme and beautyful lines.
I like the Stern most, simple but yet beautyful lines. Sorry, if i repeat mysef.

One question about the long tubes on the bow, the ones that go upwards. Are you going to cut them shorter or will the stay that way?
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Posted 18 October 2009 - 01:46 AM

Well I went to Hamburg for a few days, found some nice inspirations for doing the rigging and also enjoyed the local Lego store having the 1X1 headlight bricks on their PaB wall  :pir-cry_happy: , unfortunately I had no internet, so let me give some answers now.

View PostCaptain Green Hair, on Oct 15 2009, 09:08 PM, said:

I really like your headrails, though i don't see them as finished yet.
The middle one should curve a bit the other way round, like the top one. Now it looks like it bends downwards.
I'd also try and make them a little higher, i.e. the figurehead usually sticks up a bit higher then the bow.
The middle tube will curve the other way. It just didn't when I took the photo.  :pir_laugh2:

View PostCaptain Green Hair, on Oct 15 2009, 09:08 PM, said:

The gunports are a great idea, though i would make the tile above across the whole hull. So that it looks like a protection beam.
I tried to model the plastic ornaments about each gunport a bit, but since the there only are 4 studs between the gunports on this design, it may not look as good as intended. I'll give your sugestion a try.  :pir-classic:

View PostCaptain Green Hair, on Oct 15 2009, 09:08 PM, said:

At the stern there is somewhat of a gap between the galleries and actual stern, especially at the top.
I would try and close that up a bit more.
I've not yet found a completely satisfactory solution to this. I've already looked on all the MOC ships.
The galleries on the "Prince of Wales" for example do not have such a gap, but they are inclined the same way the stern is, which I tried to avoid.
I'll try something out using bars or tube for closing that gap.

View PostCaptain Green Hair, on Oct 15 2009, 09:08 PM, said:

And i have a nitpick ont the red strip at the bow. It gets thicker at the bow and runs straight forward, breaking up the nice curve of the line you have along the ship. I'd definitely make that evenly wide and curve up a bit mor gradually if possible.
Those are just my thoughts, i hope it helps.
This is indeed a mistake and it's one that I wasn't aware of. Fixed already. Thanks very much for noting :thumbup:

View PostRatshot, on Oct 16 2009, 02:12 PM, said:

Do you intend to be a Perfectionist while building this? :pir-tongue:
Not exactly on this one, but on my PTVII entry, which is the main reason I joined this forum, hence the name  :pir-classic:

View Postmartinsuper, on Oct 16 2009, 08:44 PM, said:

You know you should have made this into a scene of the ship getting commissioned, and then submitted it in Pillage the Vilage II!
My entry will be a ship of the line put into ordinary when peace broke out. Pretty much in minifig scale.  :pir-cry_happy:

View PostCaptain Blackmoor, on Oct 17 2009, 01:58 AM, said:

Is there an interior in the ship as well?
Unfortunately the stern design doesn't allow one. But I will make the deck modular to be able to remove the guns for having closed gunports.

View PostYreodred, on Oct 17 2009, 12:06 PM, said:

One question about the long tubes on the bow, the ones that go upwards. Are you going to cut them shorter or will the stay that way?
I have to cut tubes to make them fit  :pir-sceptic:

Thanks for all those suggestions and feedback. Today (sunday) I got plenty of time for building, so I hopefully update pics soon.
I also ordered brown bricks for the curve just above the hull pieces to replace the reddish brown ones at Bricklink.

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 01:55 AM

Great ship so far! Really like the headrails, very nice technique. Colour scheme looks very good, too.

Can't wait for updates.
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Posted 18 October 2009 - 04:07 AM

Very nice start you have here... I will definitely have to follow the progress of this ship... I would have to agree with CGH with the bow line being  a little messed up.. but you said that you have already fixed that and that the stern is in its preliminary stages so I am guessing that it will be much more detailed.  Very good job, keep it up.  And I am hoping that there will be French or Spanish colors on this frigate.

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 05:54 PM

UPDATE:

I worked on the stern for a bit. This design is pretty much final. The ship's name will be placed as a sticker in the center.

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Trying out a mast design:

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This is why there is no interior :pir-hmpf_bad: :

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I didn't start on building the deck yet because I still wait for an order from BL containing brown bricks which will be replacing the reddish brown ones used on the hull. I'll have to take pretty much the whole ship apart for this  :pir-cry_sad: , so I'll do the deck in the same step.

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 08:42 AM

Spazzingly awesome! I like your lanterns, and the stern looks fantastic!

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 11:14 AM

The new stern design is great with those details. :thumbup: The lanterns are okay, maybe a bit too squarish but they look nice so far. The masts are great, I should try that out myself too. :pir-classic:
What is slighly bugging me is the straight window on the gallery while the stern is sloped.
The last minor point is to try to make the name of the ship under the windows instead of above them, it's more realistic I think.
Perhaps you can make a custom fleur de lys symbol above the windows? :pir-wub:
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#23 Imperial Shipyards

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 08:57 PM

View PostCaptain Blackmoor, on Oct 20 2009, 01:14 PM, said:

What is slighly bugging me is the straight window on the gallery while the stern is sloped.
The last minor point is to try to make the name of the ship under the windows instead of above them, it's more realistic I think.

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 07:07 AM

Have you tried the lantern design with a bigger 3 x 3 dish on top?

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 11:27 AM

View PostRick, on Oct 22 2009, 09:07 AM, said:

Have you tried the lantern design with a bigger 3 x 3 dish on top?
I originally designed it with a 3 x 3 dish, but reduced it to 2 x 2 for a ship as small as this one. It not a "perfect" solution but i think it is ok.

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