Ashi Valkoinen

MOCs: Models of trains running in Hungary

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The railjet looks great, the prototype has great colors for lego and like so many of your builds you did a fantastic job making the translation to brick.

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Thank you, zephyr!

Maybe some of you noticed on Facebook, I finished my bistro car and added Stefano Masetti's stickers to the train, so now it's closer to the real thing, and only three waggons left until the full railjet train!

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After thinking quite lot about it I decided to redesign my Stadler FLIRT electric motor units - I'm not totally satisfied with the front design, especially with the view exactly looking at the front of the train. I grabbed my LDD again and building resulted in this:

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I used the idea from my RhB Stadler Allegra design, and tried to use it on my FLIRT. It was a little tricky to do - my FLIRT is higher and I had problems with half stud offsets, and I wanted to keep the possibility of front lights as well, which made the task really hard. Finally I used 1×2×1 panel element behind the trans-clear cheese slope, so I was able to keep the light on stud 2 and 7 (the train is 8W). This week I'll try to get some additional parts needed for new design to look at it, how it looks like for real.

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Oh, wow. That's looking great. Not that the previous one was bad, on the contrary, but this is perfect.

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I have two different type of IC-waggons for years by now, but I still haven't take photos of them, or their inside. So here are some pictures from the long (60 stud) passanger cars I own.

First set of photos about the 3G (third generation) IC-passanger cars of the Hungarian State Railway. Only 10 of these cars were built as rebuilds of old waggons from Poland. (Then the management changed after elections, and the project was over... )

1. Three waggons, two of them 2nd class, one of the 1st class. The train cars didn't need any "excellent" LEGO-solutions, they are really easy-to-build, brick and slope-built things.

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2. Insides have more details and brick-built chairs, according to waggon class and real colours. Green chairs in 2nd class, brown ones in 1st class cars.

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3. Every first class chair needed 5 parts (the fifth one under the hinge part is not visible)

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4. Three waggons together.

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The other type of IC-waggons I have is not hungarian, just Hungary-related, since until the arrival of RailJet trains many of austrian IC/EC passanger cars ran on hungarian rails. This first class IC-waggon is one of the oldest austrian IC-Bpmz cars, which got a nice renovation couple of years ago.

1. The waggon itself.

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2. Inside... this type of waggons have a corridor on one side, and seats in little rooms on the other.

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3. How to separate the rooms without taking one stud from the limited amount of space inside?

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Technic beam holds the 2×4 plate (which holds the roof as well, making it easily removeable), and a 2×2 plate inserted between the studs of the 2×4 plate. 2×2 tile works as well with this technique, but I found that it falls out more easily.

And where I'am now? If I had all my Hungary-related trains out of their boxes, here is a picture of them (currently all working):

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Very impressive. The Taurus locomotive and the RailJet are of course ever present here in Vienna so it is really cool to see such a nice rendition of it in Lego. I think especially the colour scheme is really very close to the original.

The Hungrian IC waggons may be easy straight forward constructs, but they look awesome.

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Very impressive. The Taurus locomotive and the RailJet are of course ever present here in Vienna so it is really cool to see such a nice rendition of it in Lego. I think especially the colour scheme is really very close to the original.

The Hungrian IC waggons may be easy straight forward constructs, but they look awesome.

It was a challange to put all those colour details into my RailJet train (and Taurus locomotive's B end still waits for a solution with narrow gray pattern), but yes, it was worth to wait 2 years to collect all those parts. :) I'm really proud of the orange strip around doors - it is made by decals even on the original train, but I used plates to represent them.

Hungarian cars, yes, easy to build, but sometimes you simply don't need the SNOT-techniques you could put into more complicated builds.

Thanks for your feedback anyways!

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I introduced the motor car and driving car for the Hungarian BVmot train a while ago, last night I designed two middle wagons as well. However most of my waggons are really easy straightforward builds, one of them needed a special solution.

The original trains (only 3 of them) were produced in 1994 by Ganz-Hunslet factory, and this train is the last railway vechile fully produced in Hungary (not counting 2 200 km/h IC wagons). Unfortunately they are often waiting for replacement parts, so it is rare to see them running in real life. Hope my MOC will run in a year or so.

The entire train:

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The entire train 2:

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The train has to middle wagons between motor car and driving car, they have the same lenght, but different number of windows! 1st class wagon has 10 windows, 2nd class has 11! I built in LDD the 2nd class car first, using 11 of train windows on each side, but then I had to design something placing only 10 windows. Using 10 train windows and putting randomly 1×1 brick between them (four studs were needed to be filled) was not an option, so I tried some SNOT technique on the wall.

Different window number, same length:

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Close-up: the 9 plates height of the standard train window is divided from bottom to up: 1 plate, 3 SNOT stud (=7.5 plate in height), half plate with bracket.

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Motor unit, inside:

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English .pdf from the manufacturer, from 1994:

http://www.ganzdata.hu/download/Ganz_Hunslet_Intercity_EMU.pdf

Edited by Ashi Valkoinen

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I had the chance to see these in real life and they still blow me away whenever I see the pictures.
Simply amazing :classic:

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This topic was started with my first, not proportional LEGO Stadler FLIRT EMU more than 7 years ago. 2016 December we had our Christmas event, where my now proportional red-white FLIRT and her younger blue-white colored sister ran for 6 days coupled together without any major problems. It was a two year long story since I finished the second Stadler FLIRT to achieve this.

For first both trains worked with 9V train motors, but I experienced problems powering both units' current consumption on regular LEGO 9V-system. I decided to build internal power sources into the trains to avoid changing all my wiring made for 9V-system. Since the original LEGO IR receiver unit has low effiency, both in current limit and available remote distance of IR control I decided to use SBricks and SBrick application. SBrick helps to synchronize the two trains. 9V motors were gone and had been replaced by two PF train motors put on one output of SBrick units. I used other three output of SBricks for indoor lights, and train "A" and "B" end front/tail lights (polarity-sensitive power functions leds I use as front/tail lights). However two PF train motors were enough to move the individual train (each around 3.5 kgs), they slowed down too much on curves, and when I ran them coupled, the faster second train always derailed the first slowing down in curves. To avoid the big speed difference between train in curves and train on straights I built an additional PF train motor into the each motor unit. So the two trains have 6 PF train motors together. The coupling also needed one year of exhibitions to be fixed, but now the technic-based couplers mounted on first and last bogies work well. I plan to change old-style LEGO magnets to same size neodymium magnets for better traction parameters. 

A video showing the FLIRTs running, not only on simple loop, but on multiple points as well. Video also shows how much speed SBrick offers, however due to the size limitation of the exhibition area I couldn't use this high speed too much.

 

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I was thinking for a while now about changing the front design of my Stadler FLIRT EMU to capture some details better than I did it on previous front design. So here is the result of the brick-engineering I did on the train, truly said it was a really hard build to put everything into their place and keep front/tail lights as well. It is funny that I thought after testing SBrick with my red and blue Stadler FLIRT units that I'm finally done with this train, it seems I'm not, and blue and yellow-green FLIRTs are waiting for the updated front design as well. :)

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Some recent photos I'd like to share. However we still don't have enough 9V tracks for grand curves on our events, before opening I assembled some PF tracks for my full set of railjet train. It looks much better on tracks like this than on curves built from R40 LEGO tracks. I hope ME-models will ship with acceptable prices to Europe...

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Other build is redesigning my Stadler FLIRT lights once more. With the new front designed I had not enough space for all four led lights to put them next to each other, so leds for red (tail) lights got their place deeper in the front design. But this 3 studs distance from the trans red tile on the front made the tail light almost invisible from outside, so I had to figure out something. I remembered the fiber optic cables I used long years ago in a Star Trek movie based MOC, so I made a try with them. They work really excellent, so I'm sure I'll use them later in other MOCs as well, they conduct light very nicely even when the cable is curved back in 180 degrees!

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Hello everyone,

CEO of Stadler and CEO of Hungarian State Railway (MÁV) signed the contract of delivering 10 brand new Stadler KISS electric motor units to Hungary in 2019, so having three LEGO Stadler FLIRT in my inventory I felt obligated to design the double-deck train of MÁV. I didn't start from zero, I have my Westbahn Stadler KISS LDD design for years by now, and I used that file to start with. The front should have been totally redesigned since the MÁV KISS trains arrive with new fronts (according to the changing TSI-standards the manufacturer redesigned it, just as by FLIRT 3 trains).

Total piece count will be 9300-9400 when all details designed, however I'm still waiting for exact technical drawings about the window distribution on lower floor and toliet arrangement (there will be 5 of them and one for disabled people). 

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The entire train. Due to its weights it will be driven (similarly to my Railjet train) with two SBricks on 1-1 battery boxes using 4 or 6 train motor in total. I left spaces for Power Function led lights for front/tail lights. Total lenght will be 3.3 metres.

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The hardest part during design was the new front and some details around it. The middle cars are quite easy builds, but the angled black tile in the middle of side window of driver's cab, the asymmetric blue curve on the side needed lot of work hours. I recommend everyone to "explore" the possibilities of bracket - they offer half-plate thing surface which allows you to build SNOTs in odd numbers of studs. (Some cheese slopes missing in LDD, but fit for real.)

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The "real" train on the graphic of Stadler:

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Some video shots of my trains running. Fortunately the place where our last event was held had a nice balcony, perfect for taking longer shots of my trains going around. Coupled FLIRTs (SBrick and 9V :D ), Bombardier Talent (after 3 years of moving nowhere), one loco pulling 7 of 60 stud longs coaches and my first (and I think last) freight train shown in the video. 
 

 

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While I'm waiting for real bricks to arrive for my previous project MÁV BVmot EMU I grabbed my LDD and designed the newest IC (InterCity) cars of GySEV/ROeEE railway company. These wagons are not brand new - GySEV bought them from ÖBB railway company. 

The whole train car:

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The real thing (photo by GySEV/ROeEE company):

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Seat inside, four seats for each cabin, cabins separated by tiles hanging from roof with bracket parts:

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3-wide SNOT door with SOT glass inside - 7.5 plate width built using yellow brackets:

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Train car's end - some SNOT inside:

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Three cars after each other - I need to design a locomotive for them as well. Maybe the brand new GySEV Vectron will be good for them. :)

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