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Technic 2017 Set Discussion

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6 hours ago, Offroadcreat1ons said:

So I guess it means that it is the recommended retail price. So the real question is if these are for sure the FINAL prices. I'm pretty sure they haven't changed since we first saw them, but they might still be preliminary. I hope...

No, they are final for sure, the pages are from final catalog.

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8 hours ago, deehtha said:

There are plenty of 5L 4 cylinder Diesel engines. A truck like 42070 is more likely to be a diesel than a gasoline engine. The Hino Ranger and Isuzu Forward both use a 5L 4 cylinder Diesel engine.

I was talking about diesel engines, precisely I was using a example of Unimog 5.1 Liter engine with 231HP on models U423 or U323, and my personal opinion is that it should be in-line 6 engine inside such vehicle, because 3 axles towing military - like vehicle must have some 300 Hp and plenty of torque. Your examples actually show models with some 170HP which is probably not enough. Remember that torque is vital for vehicles of such purposes, and the bigger displacement is, there is more room for bigger torque. Please take a look on wikipedia about Hino Ranger

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hino_Ranger

I hope that now you understand my point of view. LEGO's point of view is that 6 cylinder engine is to long to fit inside. :wink:

10 hours ago, Ivan_M said:

and red dog bone after all.. maybe we will see 5x7 and 5x11 frames in other colors too

That would be most welcome to broke current monotony (or better "monochromy") :thumbup:

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If 6 inline is too long to fit then why not V8, I wonder? Front nose truck like this don't have V alignment?

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Just now, nguyengiangoc said:

If 6 inline is too long to fit then why not V8, I wonder? Front nose truck like this don't have V alignment?

Good question - real trucks rather use in-line 6 - more fuel efficient, easily to balance it, and one important issue - production and development cost. Everything (unfortunately) is economics; just one example - VW Tuareg and Porsche Cayenne are actually the same car, but why is Porsche more expensive? VW is built in higher quantity - quantity is a key factor for price determination. Now back to 6 cylinders - why 6 cylinders. Answer is actually very simple; they are used in trucks (road trucks), special trucks (like Unimog), Tractors, Combine harvesters, self-propelled sprayers etc...I hope you get the picture. Last several years we see that LEGO is trying to make more and more realistic models, so this could be the answer (despite the fact that it is a bit off topic) :wink:

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B-models on my Flickr account. Please embed here ;)

@Milan can you Frontpage them if you are around.

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Great to see some B-models! First off, the 42070 - uhhh. 'Research Explorer Vehicle'? Seriously, this could have been a huge logging machine! Not impressed.

I do like the '69 (dudes!) B-model; would go great with the Arctic Truck A or B. Something does seem off about having a snowcat with 'TURE' splashed across the side of the cab, though.

'68 B looks cool; I like the boat, and the truck looks on a par with 8289. Another B that looks better than the A? Possibly...

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I really like each B-models, great job TLG! :classic:

For me 42070 offers 2 proper crawler bases, great! (B-model reminds me a bit to Madoca's Jeep Mighty FC.)

Something like 42069 B, I have had plans for long, now there will be the opportunity to build it in orange (on 42038 basis).

42068 is jut lovely, looks like a great partner for 8053 in playing actions.

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It will be interesting to put the 42069 B model next to the 42065 RC Tracked racer, looks like a wide-body version of it :) I personally like the 42070 B model as well, looks like a Dakar truck.

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3 minutes ago, nguyengiangoc said:

But why would a fire rescue truck have have a boat?

It's not uncommon - e.g. the 7239 City set also had a boat.

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Just now, nguyengiangoc said:

No I mean do real life rescue trucks have boats and if yes what for

to be transported over land - it is faster than on water. Fire departments also offer helps to people injured in trips in nature etc...

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Just now, I_Igor said:

to be transported over land - it is faster than on water. Fire departments also offer helps to people injured in trips in nature etc...

Mainly for the treatment of squirrel bites. :grin:

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Just now, Maaboo35 said:

Mainly for the treatment of squirrel bites. :grin:

or to cure depression when someone is beaten in race with snails :grin:

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28 minutes ago, nguyengiangoc said:

So the boat is for rescue and not firefighting right?

It could be rescue boat - even example town on water like Venice when fire department has to save people from burning building to make evacuation faster...there could be variety of examples. BTW LEGO City has often made "fire" boats; here is a list

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?catType=S&catString=67.518.319

and here is a model that could be 42068 B model (kind of) inspiration

https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=7239-1#T=S&O={}

image

7239-1.jpg

(I hope image is not to large)

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It's funny that there is no visible hose or nozzle in the 42068 B model, despite the name Fire Rescue Vehicle.

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1 hour ago, nguyengiangoc said:

No I mean do real life rescue trucks have boats and if yes what for

totally common where I live.

Fire department does not only fight with fires but also help and rescue during floods, after storm if there are trees fallen in the river (I live by the river next to the bridge and often there are fallen trees stuck on the pillars - that is exactly when fire rescue car with boat arrives, they go the the boat with chainsaws and later crane the tree out, or in the spring when river gets blocked by melting ice - fire department sorts that out too), car accidents, all sorts of non-fire events. Even bee/wasp swarms if it arrives to your garden or cat stuck on the tree. 

Boat is totally realistic. 

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